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notunderstanding

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I'm so nervous I have an ESA reassessment and my ESA50 is due soon and I don't know what to do. :panic: There's too much happening and I'm overwhelmed.
 
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Plan for the worst, hope for the best. Find out exactly what happens if you are in the wrag, and also if you end up on jsa. Or is it UC now? At the end of the day, if you are found fit for work, and then unwell, you can see your gp who might help you to have a fit note until you can figure out what you are going to do next.

I am in the same situation but i just fill them out, send them off, and forget. I am trying to live and ignore that side of things. I think, if i fail, i get a job, if i cannot cope with work, i go off sick, i don't know, but there is always going to be something there to catch us. I hope.
 
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Plan for the worst, hope for the best. Find out exactly what happens if you are in the wrag, and also if you end up on jsa. Or is it UC now? At the end of the day, if you are found fit for work, and then unwell, you can see your gp who might help you to have a fit note until you can figure out what you are going to do next.

I am in the same situation but i just fill them out, send them off, and forget. I am trying to live and ignore that side of things. I think, if i fail, i get a job, if i cannot cope with work, i go off sick, i don't know, but there is always going to be something there to catch us. I hope.
I just feel like there's too much going on and I'm too stressed out. Don't have the mental energy to deal with their mental gymnastics?

My psychiatrist has written a supporting letter for me. Have you got any support?? I hope it goes the way you need it to go.
 
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Hello notunderstanding.

If your ESA reassessment is due soon, there is a fantastic guide to completing the ESA50 on the Rethink website. Their Work Capability Factsheet has a detailed guide to completing each question under the mental health section of the ESA50. It even includes a list of how points are awarded.

The work capability assessment factsheet can be found at:

https://www.rethink.org/resources/w

The points are only relevant for getting into the work-related activity group. The support group is not decided upon points. To be eligible for the support group you need to be accepted as meeting at least one of the descriptors listed under Annex 2. It is beneficial to read these first before completing the ESA50 as knowing how it is assessed can help you amswer each question.

Have a natepad handy. There is not enough space on the form to answer each question fully. You can continue each answer on a seperate sheet of paper. Just make sure you put your name and NI Number on any additional sheets and make it clear which question you are continuing. I ended up with 17 additional pages of A4 attached to my ESA50. I got placed back into the support group without a face-to-face assessment.
 
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Hello notunderstanding.

If your ESA reassessment is due soon, there is a fantastic guide to completing the ESA50 on the Rethink website. Their Work Capability Factsheet has a detailed guide to completing each question under the mental health section of the ESA50. It even includes a list of how points are awarded.

The work capability assessment factsheet can be found at:

W - Rethink Mental Illness, the mental health charity

The points are only relevant for getting into the work-related activity group. The support group is not decided upon points. To be eligible for the support group you need to be accepted as meeting at least one of the descriptors listed under Annex 2. It is beneficial to read these first before completing the ESA50 as knowing how it is assessed can help you amswer each question.

Have a natepad handy. There is not enough space on the form to answer each question fully. You can continue each answer on a seperate sheet of paper. Just make sure you put your name and NI Number on any additional sheets and make it clear which question you are continuing. I ended up with 17 additional pages of A4 attached to my ESA50. I got placed back into the support group without a face-to-face assessment.
Thank you. My mum and I have been writing it in a word document...hopefully that'll be OK. There's a lot of stuff to write down. What sort of evidence do they want? Should I include my care plan or just my psychiatrists supporting letter?? Should I include appointment letters?
 
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Will it matter that my psychiatrist wrote PIP on the supporting letter not ESA? I'm worried that it will. :( He wrote that I need help/prompting in all aspects of daily living and that I require constant support from family, friends and my MHT and that without it my MH deteriorates significantly without said support. I was almost sectioned this year numerous times and I was under the crisis team a lot too. I also lost another friend to suicide in September and I'm just so upset and I don't have the brain power to deal with this going wrong. :panic::panic::panic:
 
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Hello again :) Good morning.

If the letter of support mentions PIP and Daily Living, it may not be helpful. You are not being assessed on the level of care you need day-to-day, as you are with PIP. You are being assessed on how your condition(s) limit your ability to work. Maybe you could speak to your therapist about this and request a new letter. Maybe you could help them understand how ESA is assessed to allow them to provide you with relevent medical evidence.

By all means, provide them with your care plan. The appointment letters will not tell them anything helpful, so you need not include these. In fact, I think the ESA50 tells you not to include these.

Remember that getting into the support group does not involve scoring a certain number of points. You need to show that you meet one or more of the descriptors listed in Annex 2 of the factsheet mentioned above.

There is, however, another way of getting into the support group. This is known as Regulation 35. This basically states that you have not met any descriptors for having limited capability for work-related activity (necessary to get into the support group) but there would be substantial risk to your health, or someone else's health, if you were found fit for work-related activity. Keep this in mind when wording your answers :)
 
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Update:

I got my decision letter, I'm still in the Support Group, no need for a face to face. They sent my GP some form or something, I dunno what it's called. What could that have been? Anyway. Was getting really worried, but it's OK now (although I'm still worried?? Stupid anxiety.). I don't know why I'm still in the SG I guess it could be for the same reason I was last put into it? Last time it wasn't because of risk though. My psychiatrist ended up redoing the letter to add in various things that I need help with that affect my ability to work (e.g. being unable to go out alone, unable to deal with people I don't know without support, the fact I have trouble with motivation and doing things without encouragement because of depression and pain and stuff like that, as well as my risk to myself, etc.). So it could be any number of reasons or reason why they kept me in the SG. Either way I'm just relieved it's over for a while. Well, at least until they call me again, or PIP people call me. Idk.

Thank you Winofunk!
 
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i'm a bit nervous reading this i'll be in the wrag group, don't know how i'll live on the money 100 on sainsburys delivery mon averaging 40 a week on fuel at the moment then water rates tv license the virgin bill was 85 a month i threatened to leave they reduced it to 55 but it's a new 2yr contract

and food banks i have extreme social anxiety i find waiting in crowded rooms difficult if not impossible, sadly with the dwp you have to use the word impossible to qualify
 
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i'm a bit nervous reading this i'll be in the wrag group, don't know how i'll live on the money 100 on sainsburys delivery mon averaging 40 a week on fuel at the moment then water rates tv license the virgin bill was 85 a month i threatened to leave they reduced it to 55 but it's a new 2yr contract

and food banks i have extreme social anxiety i find waiting in crowded rooms difficult if not impossible, sadly with the dwp you have to use the word impossible to qualify
If you're currently in SG and there's no change in your functionality I don't see why (logically) they'd move you to WRAG. But if they did you would be able to do an MR...I'm sorry my thread has stressed you out, I hope that when they will assess you that you'll be ok. Do you have support from your GP or anyone??
 
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i'm a bit nervous reading this i'll be in the wrag group, don't know how i'll live on the money 100 on sainsburys delivery mon averaging 40 a week on fuel at the moment then water rates tv license the virgin bill was 85 a month i threatened to leave they reduced it to 55 but it's a new 2yr contract

and food banks i have extreme social anxiety i find waiting in crowded rooms difficult if not impossible, sadly with the dwp you have to use the word impossible to qualify
Think also the fact my mum helped me with gathering up evidence and stuff helped, the report thing just came back and there were lots of things on there (e.g. GP letter/consultant letters/specialist letter/psychiatrist letter/statement of care/my care plan/photographs/appointment cards for my physiotherapy and psychological therapy, etc.), that they used to come to the conclusion that I am not fit for work and need to be in SG.

Basically just shove all the evidence in their faces and see what happens?

It also says that "work could be considered in 18 months" - they seem way more optimistic about this than pretty much everyone else, surprise, whilst also saying I have a "severe functional disability". Lol.
 
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i don't have much evidence no psychiatrist they've closed my case i live independently if i say i can't do things they'll ask how come your not dead, how are you surviving

the gp i've only seen for a year the last gp who retired had a psych qualification, this one hasn't
 
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i don't have much evidence no psychiatrist they've closed my case i live independently if i say i can't do things they'll ask how come your not dead, how are you surviving

the gp i've only seen for a year the last gp who retired had a psych qualification, this one hasn't
Hmm, when I was first put on ESA I hadn't seen my GP or any MH person for over a year and I still got it awarded. I had basically no evidence because I refused to talk to doctors or mental health people, I blamed them for my best friend killing herself so avoided them etc.

Just try and get help where you can, but if it doesn't go your way there are people out there to help. There are probably loads of people on here who can help too.
 
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they've tightened up a lot, i know it does no good worrying and common sense should prevail in the end it's how do i live to then

your living with your mother the roof over your head or meals isn't threatened
 
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