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Drug enforcement 'doesn't work'

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10 Reasons to legalise all drugs

http://www.urban75.com/Drugs/drugten.html

"If the (drug) problem continues advancing as it is at the moment, we're going to be faced with some very frightening options. Either you have a massive reduction in civil rights or you have to look at some radical solutions. The issue has to be, can a criminal justice system solve this particular problem?"
Commander John Grieve, Criminal Intelligence Unit, Scotland Yard, Channel 4 1997
 
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IMHO both those opinions are barmy.

Drug taking safe. eh since when has it been safe, Are they trying to say stuffing crack up your nose or mainlining are gonna do no harm to you.

Legalising drugs will not work , there will still be a blackmarket for them. Cigs and alcohol are legal but there is a big smuggling racket in both those. Someone will always sell them cheaper.

And what of the NHS costs, paranoia from skunk and the costs of treating the addicts.

Its bad enough already with people suffering liver damage and lung cancer let alone adding more self inflicted ailments
 
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its not supposed to be a democratic governments job to dictate what people do to themselves. thats a fascist governments job.
in fact, America's founding fathers were almost all potheads. back in the day, it was illegal to NOT grow pot. not because of its mind-altering properties of course, thats a perk. its the strongest natural fiber known to man. its seeds have more and easier digestible protien than soybeans. it can be pressed to yield a high-quality oil for cooking and feul. its antibiotic. it fixes nitrogen in the soil so other crops can use it easier. it makes good paper, and up to 4 crops a year can be produced, making it much better for the environment than cutting down trees.
its benefits WAY outwiegh its its drawbacks.
its unconstitutional in America to prosecute a person for drugs. this has been proven time and time again. but you'll never hear of anyone winning a court case, because if the court sees someone has this knowledge and has the funds to fight it all the way, the case is dropped. this is done because if someone were to win a case, it would set a precedent and the government would have to end its sham. rather than risk that happening, these cases are quietly swept away.
however, these laws are highly effective at taking the poor's freedom from them.
 
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its not supposed to be a democratic governments job to dictate what people do to themselves. thats a fascist governments job..

Maybe not but its up to the governments health service to clean up the mess left. That means tax payers money. So its gonna cost us all for it to be legalised.

Did they state anywhere that it should just be weed legalised or 'all drugs'
 
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All evidence shows that prohibition & illegality increases drug use & users. The Billions spent on the failed War against drugs, every year, would be far better spent on proper rehabilitation, education, & services, with controlled & safe supply. Supply & demand combined with black market control = an increase of users year in & year out. If you want proof of this then research the law & history of Heroin use in this country. With the change in the law regarding Heroin in the late 60's, we saw several hundred registered Heroin users, with easy access to scripted supply; to increased illegality, & black market control overnight; with everything that entails, & consequently an approximately doubling of Heroin users each subsequent year since. Every study shows that prohibition fails in every sense. Legalising all drugs is not a perfect solution; but it is far far better than the madness we have at present. Does anyone really think "we" can win the war on drugs? It is no different to the "War on Terror" - it is a perpetual, unwinable, & totally fruitless exercise.
 
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Heroin: The solution?

Heroin: The solution?

The liberalisation of drug laws in Zurich has led to a massive fall in the number of new heroin users, according to a study published yesterday. Now Britain, which has the highest number of drug deaths in Europe, is being urged to follow suit

By Jeremy Laurance, Health Editor
Friday, 2 June 2006
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Drugs charities called yesterday for Britain to abandon its tough approach to heroin use after research showed one European city had cut the number of new addicts by transforming the image of heroin into a "loser drug".

The UK should follow the example of Zurich, which adopted a liberal drug policy a decade ago, and has seen an 82 per cent decline in new users of heroin, experts say.

The change has been achieved by offering drug addicts in Switzerland "substitution" treatment with injectable heroin on prescription, as well as oral methadone, needle exchange and "shooting galleries" where they can give themselves their fix.

The new approach has medicalised drug use and removed its glamour, researchers say. Crime and deaths linked with drugs have fallen, and the image of heroin use has been transformed from one of rebellion to an illness.

"Finally, heroin seems to have become a loser drug, with its attractiveness fading for young people," said Carlos Nordt of the Psychiatric University Hospital in Zurich. The Lancet, which publishes the research today, accuses the Government of resisting reforms such as the introduction of drug consumption rooms - safe injecting houses for addicts - which are contributing to Britain's death rate from illegal drug use, which is the highest in Europe.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/heroin-the-solution-480734.html
 
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With the change in the law regarding Heroin in the late 60's, we saw several hundred registered Heroin users, with easy access to scripted supply; to increased illegality, & black market control overnight; with everything that entails, & consequently an approximately doubling of Heroin users each subsequent year since.
1969 - 2009 = 29 years
1969 - approximately 800 registered Heroin users
2008 = approximately 280,000 problem drug users!- most taking Heroin & Crack
& people think the War on drugs is working!
 
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600,000 people die every year in the UK - of those deaths;

Tobacco Deaths in the UK per year - 120,000

Alcohol deaths in the UK per year - approx 8,500

Some put the actual figure for alcohol deaths at almost double that - 15,000

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/256...from-alcohol-related-diseases-every-year.html

Some have estimated the alcohol related death toll as being as high as 40,000 deaths per year, taking all influential factors into account.

The alcohol*-related death rate in the UK continued to increase in 2006, rising from 12.9 deaths per 100,000 population in 2005 to 13.4 in 2006. Rates almost doubled from 6.9 per 100,000 in 1991. The number of alcohol-related deaths more than doubled from 4,144 in 1991 to 8,758 in 2006.
Compare that to 250 ecstasy-related deaths being reported between 1999 and 2004. (Not all a direct cause of the drug)

All illegal drug use deaths in the UK per year - 2,500 (Still the highest death rate in Europe for illegal drug use).

http://www.drugscope.org.uk/resources/faqs/faqpages/how-many-people-die-from-drugs.htm

Kind of puts things in perspective.

http://www.ifishoulddie.co.uk/
 
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'Those who would sacrifice liberty for safety deserve niether'- Benjamin Franklin
How True.

"They could be made to accept the most flagrant violations of reality,
because they never fully grasped the enormity of what was demanded of them,
and were not sufficiently interested in public events to notice what was happening.
By lack of understanding they remained sane.
They simply swallowed everything,
and what they swallowed did them no harm, because it left no residue behind,
just as a grain of corn will pass undigested through the body of a bird."

- Orwell, 1984

"Myths which are believed in tend to become true".
-Orwell

"You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream -- the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order -- or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path. Plutarch warned, 'The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits.' " -- Ronald Reagan 10-27-64



 
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