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Does anyone here think there must be a physiological cause for this?

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Hi there.

My first simptons started in July - 2012. I´d wake up at 4:30 am with my heart pounding hard and not be able to sleep again. It still happens today - every single day. Between 2012 and 2013 it got worse and worse - I couldn´t think clearly for my life. I can´t say I was feeling said. I was just feeling nothing at all. I went to the psychiatrist and got my antidepressant recipe. I took it as prescribed, but the symptons wouldn´t improve. Three months later doctor combined a second one, it still did not work. I still had dificulty to sleep and the brain fog got worse. I had to work - piles numbers all day - so I came to the doctor again and said I couldn´t work properly. Then he added a medicine for attention deficit. It made me feel... I don´t know - not quite myself. And although attention improved, I couldn´t sleep at all when I took it. I changed doctor and tried a different medicine. Then I tried transcranial electric stimulation. No better. That was when I decided I should take control of things and try to solve this my way. I started to search for a cause. The word that scares doctors the most - cause. They seem to be always fighting the symptons, but my experience as an engineer says a problem doesn´t go away unless you find and act on the cause. When I asked the doctors for the cause they go with - well, genetics, you know. Come on... genetics is not a valid cause, unless you know what gene is not doing what enzyme that should be acting to make this or that substance that acts in this or that process... I believe...God, more than that, I know depression is not a disease per se, but merelly a sympton of the real disease. The one doctors are not finding, or not even searching for properly. Anyone here thinks like me???
 
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I was similar, awake early hours for years around about 2104 about the same time, early hours every single day but different issues for me so so hot, wife and I still talk about it no need for radiators or thick blankets on through the night in the winter... Doctors won't tell you this because they don't know, but have a look at chakras or 7 energy centers out of balance, they can play havoc through the night. If its the case you won't find answers in 5 mins takes a bit of thorough research.
 
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All the doctors I’ve ever seen tell me it’s chemical imbalances in the brain. I’m sure there is some truth to that - is it the only reason? Probably not. But since some medicines that I have taken make me feel so much better, I have to believe that it’s a major component.
The brain is a mystery. I don’t think they know even half of what’s going on. It would be a fascinating area of study, if you were to go into it as a scientific career. But I guess we can also do armchair investigations!
 
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Thanks for your repplies! I´m glad to know some people do improve with the treatments. In my family, we all suffer from this awfull dosease, and there is no real long term response to the treatment. Some symptons improve for a while, than get worse again, but since this started I´ve never felt myself again. I don´t think the cause is in the brain... The cause is usually not where the problem shows. It is always far "behind" in the process...If it shows as low neurotransmitters in the brain, they should be looking on what comes before their symthesis...I think someone should look at it, but industry seems to be more interested in damage control than in the real cure.
 
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When stress and adversity comes at you from all directions and piles on top of you like a big heap of shit. Its very hard to know what it the biggest cause off it, its very hard to feel and think about what is the cause. Stress a lot? Got a lot on your plate? Stress could be the problem, only one way to sort that out and that is cutting away pieces from life that is stressing you. Sometimes what is causing the most stress is the thing hardest to admit so we go around trying lots of other things out to get rid off the stress, when its that one thing you deep down know is the cause your, that one thing your mind instantly avoids as soon as you try the possibility of it in your thoughts. I think most only realize what needs to be cut away after cutting lots of other things first.

The only thing you hinted at here was work related, numbers? Stress you a lot? Anyway you can improve this? Plan better, work more efficient during day so you donät have to stress about it later?

Can be so many causes to this. Doesn't have to be stress related at all either I guess.
 
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Hi F... You´re quite right that stress is a bitch. But this would be an emotional cause. I believe that not been able to deal with stress (or loss, ou sadness) is more of a consequence of the disease than its cause. I´ve lived in the edge my hole life, working in stressfull conditions. I kind of like it. Or liked, when I wasn´t sick.
 
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I read where bacteria in the stomach can be out of whack. With all the processed foods and what not mental illnesses seem on the rise. Mental illness has been around for Centuries. It does not discriminate on who it attacks.

You have good hypothesis but to dependent and independent variables.

I had no symptoms when I was younger outside do not ever try to get too close to me as I will drop you out of my life in a heartbeat.

Today people pretty much leave me alone now I find myself lonely and with out a good support system in place.

I agree with the stressor's of life can have impending doom to mental illness. Here in America the old saying is work hard and pay your own way even if you are broken.

Oh it is okay to have a tooth ache but outside of this no one who has not felt as we do with our depression and mental state will understand.

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I´ve dropped lots of people from my life. Not to mention a good job and a carrer I´ve fought a lot to build. But I´m not sorry for that. I told people I was sick and they just vanished, as if it was contagious... Everybody knows I left my job because I was sick, but nobody called afterwards to check on how I was doing. So I didn´t call them either.

As I see the problem, the whole thing is messed up by medicine. There are no mental diseases. Only physical diseases with mental symptons. If it was a disease of the soul, a chemical would not help. If chemicals do help, than the cause is equally chemical.
 
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I agree with a lot you say about medicine, it does have its time when its needed though in many cases but its over used, I am hoping to set up free self healing classes in my home town, have a look at positive energy to heal or self heal, that's what we all run off 100% energy..
 
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No medications produce more good than bad.The pharmaceutical Company's draw us all in. I am not sure how it works in your Country, but here in America they advertise on TV. Just like cigarettes years ago. You just have to be willing to try something different. Doctors will prescribe different meds if they are not working for you.
 
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They advertise antidepressants? In Brazil pharma only advertises indirectly, through medical events patrocinated by the companies. But it works all the same... I once went to see a specialist over a gastro problem and left with a prescription for an antidepressant.
 
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Hi F... You´re quite right that stress is a bitch. But this would be an emotional cause. I believe that not been able to deal with stress (or loss, ou sadness) is more of a consequence of the disease than its cause. I´ve lived in the edge my hole life, working in stressfull conditions. I kind of like it. Or liked, when I wasn´t sick.
When I say stress I don't just mean having a lot to do. Maybe I should say anxiety instead. I'm not sure. I mean everything that puts your mind in a state of worry and thoughts that do not go away. I also mean emotional stress. Getting let down or mistreated. You can have a work where you have loads to do and manage fine for 10 years then something else happens that adds to the total stress level and everything falls apart. This is what I mean when I say it might not be the most obvious cause.

In my life I worked on 2 schools at same time. It took a lot of energy. Then I came into a state having no energy left and I quit one of the jobs, it was only like 6 months later I figured out it was my relationship draining me, I avoided this fact a long time. Had I realized that instantly and dared act on it I could probably, easily kept both my jobs. It took both drug abuse and meds to realize this and once I let that girl go I was clean the day after from meds and drugs and my life returned to me. But this bad state with this girl probably kept on for 2 years before I realized what was wrong. I went to therapy and everything and we got into the subject of my girl and I could feel I avoided it, yet I couldn't accept it to myself long, long after those sessions. To me she was a vampire, she slowly broke my down and drained me without me realizing.
 
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Hello F. Thanks for sharing this. It´s great that you could realize what the problem was and deal with it. It´s not easy to take decisions like that when we are in the middle of the fire. As my last three or four life changing decisions turned out to be bad ones, as time showed, I feel like paralized, unable to take another one and then realize it again results to be bad choices.
 
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There are no mental diseases. Only physical diseases with mental symptons
You'd be wrong. I understand that you think like an engineer but on the subject of depression and other mental illness, your reductive thinking doesn't get you past the physical so emotional problems don't register.

Also, I strongly disagree with the anti-medicine sentiments expressed by others. Stigmatizing medication does harm to mental illness patients who can or do benefit from them. It also deters people who could benefit from them.
 
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Hy B. I´m sorry, I never meant to put another burden on people who suffer from this terrible disease, by telling them medicines don´t work. Only, I´ve lived and suffered to much of this. All women in my family suffer from depression. My mother has fought it for like 40 years. Always with the support of the best doctors, therapy, medication, all conventional treatments. No results. She barely gets out of the house,cries all day long, forgets things we just said, recently she couldn´t remember the name of her grandchildren, due to memory lapses. If I don´t do something different of what she does, I´ll end up like that. And there is nothing reducionist in engineering. Isaac Newton has explained all laws of mechanics while medicine still used leeches to treat people. While engineering took men to the moon and back again, doctors were prescribing thalidomide to pregnant women, causing babies to be born with no arms... If you can trust your hapiness to such a crude science, good for you. I can´t. My life won´t be subjected to their endless tentative and error.
 
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