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Does any one else perform experiments on their voices cause I do is it just me.

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I do thought experiments on my voices these experiments have finely lead me to the confirmation these voices are just my mind making up complete wild ass lies period not a telepathic conversation

The experiments range from recording real events and comparing them to what the voices tell me just happened to hunting down the source of the voice only to find out its just a damn dog barking and my mind makes up crap trying to convince me that dog is a telepathic person over their talking

I have done the experiments that to me prove beyond a shadow of a doubt its all complete rubbish in my head and my mind on lies.

I was wondering does any one else toy with and experiment on their voices cause I do.

Lately Ive noticed I can stop them mid sentence and through shear force of will make them say what I want them to say. Then I tried this on real people, and it never works only on the disembodied variety.

This has lead me to the inevitable conclusion its my brain on bullcrap. Lately I have often been noticing the real external triggers for my brain making these voices up, and its pathetically obvious stuff like a dog barking and crap so lately I have just been making them sing stupid songs and all in all attempting to make a complete mockery of them.

I just for instance lately started making them recite I am a little teapot to both amuse myself at their stupidity, and reinforce the point is my brain feeding me crap. Frustratingly the voices don't seem to get the point I already know what they are beyond a shadow of a doubt, but then one would expect a hallucinatory delusion not to have real cognitive ability to get it any ways so I am just going to make them sing stupid songs to amuse me from now on, or hunt down the triggers to cut them off as they speak and get some bombastic new meds to shut them up for awhile.
 
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You’ve got it all figured out. That’s sort of how it went down with me but honestly you’ve just confirmed it. It’s annoying as heck, I don’t understand why our brains make us do this. I also hate how they’re so negative. I heard that voice hearers in asia & whatnot have voices that are playful & tricky but not evil or negative.
 
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Yes that’s right, I also did this. Hunt for evidence, find triggers and come to the conclusion that it’s all bull.

However, the mere fact that you are hearing these voices also has a meaning. It’s a step on a spiritual journey to the true self. And that’s where I kind of got stuck, my voices would play back chunks of my speculations and start toying with it, and I kinda got lost in there when I decided to take medication and sort things out that way.
 
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I do some experiments. I ask them questions that I do not know the answer to, but they must. for example, I ask them "how many words did you say to me in the past hour". and they can't answer.

ask very vague answers that a human can answer, such as 'did you have a nice day today'. many of the voices cannot answer vague questions.
 
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I also can interrupt them immediately before they speak. it took months / years of practice to get to that point.
 
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Yes that’s right, I also did this. Hunt for evidence, find triggers and come to the conclusion that it’s all bull.

However, the mere fact that you are hearing these voices also has a meaning. It’s a step on a spiritual journey to the true self. And that’s where I kind of got stuck, my voices would play back chunks of my speculations and start toying with it, and I kinda got lost in there when I decided to take medication and sort things out that way.
I doubt this no offense I can force the voices to say what I want them to say, and I frequently do to either silence their current tirade or mock them more often both.

I have attempted this on other humans nothing truly harmful just quack like a duck crap always fails.

This leads me to the inevitable conclusion it only exists in my head as what else would I be able to force to my will, but my own mind no other part of my reality bends to my will by sheer thought save the voices.
 
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I also can interrupt them immediately before they speak. it took months / years of practice to get to that point.
Took me 7 years to figure out I could do it and a matter of days to be able to do it any time I wanted once I figured out I could. The problem is it takes to much concentration to force them to say what I want them to say wouldn't be able to finish school, or hold down a job wasting time like that. They need to go period for as long as possible forever if I can achieve it if I am to accomplish what I hope to.
 
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I do some experiments. I ask them questions that I do not know the answer to, but they must. for example, I ask them "how many words did you say to me in the past hour". and they can't answer.

ask very vague answers that a human can answer, such as 'did you have a nice day today'. many of the voices cannot answer vague questions.
They pretend to be neighbors whose names I do not know so lately I am I have been like what is your name except I insert the f bomb cause they piss me off to no end. They never have a reply if I got a coherent response I would attempt to check, but I never do.
 
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My first expermiment on them I thought quite clever tell me something factual I do not know that I can verify any human/ external sentient being could do this quite easily. They failed so lately all I do with them is either try to silence them or mock them or curse them out.
 
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I experiment with them quite often. A few weeks ago they started insisting they were from the CIA again and that they would come get me and torture and kill me within the next 7 days. By the 3rd day I had had enough of the mental torture and the weird and scary images that accompanied the voices (e.g., visions of thousands of spiders being dumped on me while I was sitting naked in a bathtub, waterboarding, knocking all my teeth out, and so on), so I said to the voices that if they did not turn up by the next day I would conclude that it was just bullshit and that it was all just my brain messing me up again. Of course they did not show up (that would be impossible!). As soon as I had set that time limit for them they stopped claiming to be CIA.
Another experiment was based on what my psychotherapist told me. She said my voice might be me developing a conscience. So I decided that instead of getting angry at my voices and fighting with them I would try to listen to them (of course not taking every suggestion seriously though - they do have some pretty bad suggestions at times) and see if the reason they were occurring was because my behavior was at odds with my conscience. That did NOT work. The day I did everything right (exercised in the morning, spent time with my friend, ate right, slept right, studied hard, cleaned the house, made supper for my boyfriend, comforted my mother etc) the voice still criticized and complained the entire time. All day long he was bitching and complaining in there.

Those were my two latest attempts to gain some control over the voice in my head. I am currently not on any medication as I find the side effects absolutely intolerable - even more so than the voice itself. However, listening to the hostile, negative, judgmental, narrow-minded, abusive, ignorant, unbalanced, sick voice in there is really really wearing me out. If I can't get a handle on it in the next month or so I will try to ask for some Haloperidol to kill the voice, even for just a few weeks to give my brain a chance to recover.

I hope for the best for all of you voice hearers out there. I hope you are doing better than I am currently.

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I have been experimenting with them for approximately 11 years. The basis of my experiments and investigations is phenomenology. I have concluded a couple of astounding things, but they are difficult to believe. I therefore decline to write much about them. However there are two things I have discovered from my experimentation, that I am prepared to publish. 1) That there is a strong argument to refute the rigour of current scientific thinking. In other words, I can provide a rigorous alternative framework of understanding that is elegant and supported empirically. I am writing this up at the moment. 2) That 1st person transcripts are a new, novel and important way of managing auditory verbal hallucinations (AVH's) that are very effective. I am writing this up for publication also. If you have AVH's, try transcribing them, and see for yourself.
 

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I have been experimenting with them for approximately 11 years. The basis of my experiments and investigations is phenomenology. I have concluded a couple of astounding things, but they are difficult to believe. I therefore decline to write much about them. However there are two things I have discovered from my experimentation, that I am prepared to publish. 1) That there is a strong argument to refute the rigour of current scientific thinking. In other words, I can provide a rigorous alternative framework of understanding that is elegant and supported empirically. I am writing this up at the moment. 2) That 1st person transcripts are a new, novel and important way of managing auditory verbal hallucinations (AVH's) that are very effective. I am writing this up for publication also. If you have AVH's, try transcribing them, and see for yourself.

I am not quite sure what you mean by first person transcripts. What I think you mean is referring to oneself in the first person helps allievate symptons which in fact I have noticed does in fact silence them to a greater degree and allievate symptoms so I have been attempting to rewire my brain to think more in the first person instead of the second and third.

Forgive me if this is not what you mean, but I found the pdf difficult to read, but I have discovered referring to myself in the first person I hear the voices less then if I refer to myself in the second or third person.


Frankly I do not agree with the current methodology of not directly confronting the delusions. I am attempting to directly confront the delusions by calling it, I stress it, out as a lie and a liar. I don't agree with the methodology that skirts around the fact that the delusion is in fact a lie.

Further I think psychotic symptoms also frequently have symptoms at least in my case of some one referring to themselves in the second and third person which exacerbates the issue. If this is what you meant I definetley agree with you.

Personally I would frequently refer to myself in the second and third person, and I think this is part of the reason my symptoms became so extreme a kind of cognitive disconnect from my own individuality.
 
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I am not quite sure what you mean by first person transcripts. What I think you mean is referring to oneself in the first person helps allievate symptons which in fact I have noticed does in fact silence them to a greater degree and allievate symptoms so I have been attempting to rewire my brain to think more in the first person instead of the second and third.

Forgive me if this is not what you mean, but I found the pdf difficult to read, but I have discovered referring to myself in the first person I hear the voices less then if I refer to myself in the second or third person.


Frankly I do not agree with the current methodology of not directly confronting the delusions. I am attempting to directly confront the delusions by calling it, I stress it, out as a lie and a liar. I don't agree with the methodology that skirts around the fact that the delusion is in fact a lie.

Further I think psychotic symptoms also frequently have symptoms at least in my case of some one referring to themselves in the second and third person which exacerbates the issue. If this is what you meant I definitley agree with you.

Personally I would frequently refer to myself in the second and third person, and I think this is part of the reason my symptoms became so extreme a kind of cognitive disconnect from my own individuality.
My gosh you are sooo right. I absolutely endorse everything you say. But especially, and I cannot emphasise it enough, the part o9f your statement " do not agree with the current methodology of not directly confronting the delusions". I am really into it. I have written an article, in fact a series of essays, all about delusions, and how to attempt to achieve peace in your life. Please accept my apologies for this seeming like a self-promotion, but I would love to send you, or supply you with, the treatise I have written advocating what you term "confronting the delusions". This paper is directed to clinicians, but I would love to get your critical feedback. Please contact me by PM or something, so I can send you my essay, and ask you to criticise it for me. Good luck. I strongly commend your approaches, and attitude.
 
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I think we all do this at first, & it seems like the same results happen, we get messed with. It seems like a hazing ritual, "we're the CIA, we're the cops, we're GOD!" I've read so many times where people complain that this was their first interactions with their voices & that happened to me as well. I used to call them PsyOps in the beginning & even went as far as to ask what my mission was lol. I really think that doctors should let patients know not to interract or look deep into their voices & to establish where they stand with the voice early on.. like "Voice, i would like you to know that i really get uncomfortable when you speak to me and will try my best to ignore you blah blah" .. make that known early on and leave it as is. Ofc i know how hard it is to not agrivated making you want to respond back but i believe a lot of people in the future would do well to try 100% in ignoring.

The "research" phase is so tidious, i have countless journals dedicated to it. What a waste of time & energy. You think your getting somewhere but imo it only digs the hole deeper. Get diagnosed, get meds, move towards positive grounding techniques/hobbies.
 
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