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ramboghettouk

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Honesty, you don't know your illness level if your a loony and psychiatrists won't give a straight answer if asked "How ill am i"? my gp when i asked for a straight answer said "Your ill enough to need the medication, but not ill enough to go into hospital" very broad

Scroungers can say the right thing to the benefit people and laugh it off in the pub with their mates, it's harder when theres a large element of truth, even the scrounger probably exagerates his level of health in the pub, creating this myth that the country is full of well, fit for work scroungers
 
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At least you're in a position to know you can't help. I get scared that I'm going to be told I've got to return to work when I know I wouldn't last a week out before I crashed. The system doesn't encourage honesty does it?
Is it that we need to be honest in answer to questions about our health. Say openly to the interviewer what you do and how you react to circumstances when you are not well, say how often this can happen. Say how you react to pressure,and how you react to people (potential work colleagues) who are dismissive and ignorant about your mental health. Say how your illness affects you in the normal events of life.

I am quite sure that you are unlikely to get sent for an interview (even if you begged for one) and am equally sure that you will not be given a job offer at the end of an employers interview :oops:
 
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Ralph, I have been told by my consultant and GP that there is no chance I'm going to be one of the people that will be encouraged back to work - what I am talking about is fear. Fear and reality are two different things and having the knowledge that something isn't going to happen doesn't necessarily abate the fear that it might.
 
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Ralph, I have been told by my consultant and GP that there is no chance I'm going to be one of the people that will be encouraged back to work - what I am talking about is fear. Fear and reality are two different things and having the knowledge that something isn't going to happen doesn't necessarily abate the fear that it might.
Couldn't agree more Dollit. And every suggestion that people on Incapacity Benefit/DLA are scroungers and wasters tends to induce guilt which in turn can bring on or worsen depression (well mine anyway :)). Fear and guilt are the very last things we need.
 
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A lot of ideas about the benefit system are suggesting interviewing everyone on benefit, i'm not so worried about been declared fit for work, i'm worried about defending the money i get now when i don't meet the physical type disability criteria very well

I was called in a while ago, the women interviewing me said "How do you spell schitsoprenia? this is the first time i've been asked to spell schitsoprenia" i said "You shouldn't be calling people in should you"

I wonder how i'd have done if i hadn't an outreach worker with me, it worries me that they wouldn't have understood, if i had argued my case coherently they'd have held been coherant aggainst me, classic Catch 22
 
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I had to ring Home Intervention recently and was told that things couldn't be as bad as I said because I was able to verbalise coherently - add that to the council suggesting that the problem may have been in my imagination and you can understand I got angry. Then of course I got into trouble for being angry. I made a complaint against HI via my psych which felt enormously good.
 
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Ater years of fighting to get my condition acknowleged, I finally get the benefit I deserve, however, there is always the fear of the 'brown envelope' landing on the floor, i'm so scared to open them as i'm aware it can be taken away anytime. Just over a year ago I was left to live on £44.00 a week as I was disputing a decision, this went on until my doctor signed me off again, but the benefit only rose by an extra £10 weekly till the year was up. I was at my lowest point ever, these decision makers and appeal doctors have no interest in hearing the truth, they want you off benefit and I sometimes wonder if they are on a bonus for every person they 'deem' as fit. Playing cat and mouse with us is a pastime they seem to enjoy and they disregard the obvious fact our they exacerbate our problems.:(
 
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MY friend went into the job centre, he said "what is it with these people" they do get bonuses for getting people into work.

My friend ended up getting a job in a supermarket, it took a while arranging the money then he liked it until a new boss took over, he got another job and this time got less money as he was reassessed as fitter, he went on benefits after that

All the jobs were part time, all he was capable off on meds until they reassessed him to get him to work full time which wasn't feasible on the meds
 
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That's just the point though isn't it rambo - you can do some therapeutic voluntary work and you're quite happy and it makes a difference to you so somebody comes along and says "you can work part-time" which for a while works and though it's a bit of a strain you manage until the person comes along and says "if you can work part-time, you can work full-time" and the world falls down around your shoulders. They never seem to learn that ill-health is not black and white, it's shades of grey and what is right for one person is not right for another. There is no allowance for individuality - it's all about adherence to rules.
 
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I had to ring Home Intervention recently and was told that things couldn't be as bad as I said because I was able to verbalise coherently - add that to the council suggesting that the problem may have been in my imagination and you can understand I got angry. Then of course I got into trouble for being angry. I made a complaint against HI via my psych which felt enormously good.
JUST TO SAY THIS
I HAVE HAD THE HOME INTERVENTION TEAM VISIT ME IN THE PAST AND THE GUY SAT STARING INTO MY EYES AND WROTE DOWN EYE CONTACT GOOD,
ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT IT - I THINK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT HIS OWN EYE CONTACT.
I MEAN WHAT IS THAT ALL ABOUT?
I ALWAYS STARE PEOPLE OUT - IT IS PART OF MY DEFENCE MECHANISM!!!
I SUGGEST THAT IF YOU CARE CALLED IN FOR A WORK INTERVIEW THAT YOU START HALLUCINATING IN FRONT OF THE INTERVIEWER
ASK WHY THEY ARE WRITING WITH A TUBE OF TOOTHPASTE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
BUT THESE PEOPLE ARE PUT IN PLACE TO PUT FEAR INTO YOU OR US
I CAN UNDERSTAND THE FEAR OF NOT WANTING TO LOOSE BENEFIT PAYMENTS BECAUSE IF YOU LOOSE THEM AND STILL CANT WORK IT USUALLY MEANS YOU LOOSE OTHER STUFF TOO,.
 
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I did have "the verification framework" round, if your on housing benefit they check up, you have to provide photographic proof your you, proof of benefits, that you live there.

AS my mother put it they wonder why so many OAPS don't claim

A friend had them round she said it was sad the guy had been in prison and was saying you will get a job, take your CV to my church and get it blessed, she's looking for work

I found it very unpleasent, guess i'm a child of old labour and a welfare state for all, it's not just OAPS who paid national insurance contributions for years and were promised a pension who find it hard to adjust
 
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I think one of the most upsetting aspects of getting to know people on here is the sense of abandonment that people feel when they're ill or they're not coping or things go wrong. I feel that intensely myself when I'm ill.
How can we change this?
 
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I don't know - I have an incredible support network but sometimes the medics aren't there, they do get time off or the boys are in training. I can talk to my mum and my sister but they don't really get it. I'm not a patient person (which is probably why I don't get politics & philosophy, I'm a doer not a talker) and whilst I don't look for instant gratification or solutions sometimes I need someone just to say quickly that they've heard me and they'll get back to me. It's the response time I find difficult - once the cavalry arrive they're astounding.

Here on the forum I have my buddies list and they are the people I go to first behind the scenes for a scream. A few people do the same with me. In the other world I have two people who I email whatever the time of day or night it is just to release the agony.

It's a quandary.
 
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Going for my last session of counciling off mind today, don't know if it helps, the support worker put it on the incapacity for work form so it must help with the old claim, thats me been cynical, i have decided to do things and ignore worries that the benefit people will hold it against me

THe counciler says there has to be a goal and theres no goal with me, but well she's someone to talk to
 
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