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Abstra

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I've been bumped to the top of the DBT waiting list after last weekend's events, I start 5th February instead of 3-6 months like usual. There's always a silver lining!
Is anyone doing DBT? How are you finding it? I know the basics as I've already done emotional coping skills twice. How hard is it to manage with the individual sessions, group sessions and daily homework? How soon do you see improvement in yourself? I know it's a lot of work but I think it'll be worth it in the long run.
 
BorderlineDownunder

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hi

I did half a DBT course dropped out and I can feel in my water they are going to make me do another.

I found it boring, useless, pathetic, just like any group of so called grown ups the Noisy ones Dominate the Class while the really sick ones sink to the back and say nothing.

But that was just my experience, I don't think the Facilitators on my course were very good in fact they were fucking terrible. Students, one NEVER smiled, like her fucking face would drop off if she did.

no wonder I dropped out.

all the Noisy ones spent half an hour updating the class on what their husbands said to them over the week and how they had a scented bath to handle it before going to work

basically, I don't even have a fucking job or a husband or even a bath, so what am I doing here amongst this passel of spoilt bitches :shrug:

ive been encouraged to go back though.

Not because it works, but because its literally THE ONLY TREATMENT THEY HAVE TO OFFER.

the drop out rate is 75% I found out later, which implies the 25% who don't drop out are Narcissists who enjoy the Attention, in my humble opinion, or else Too Polite to drop out.

but they keep assuring me, its helpful...:shrug: to whom, I don't know....them, I suspect...
 
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Abstra

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I suppose if you've got shit facilitators it doesn't make life any easier :unsure:
I'm probably quite lucky, the nurses who do the ECS course are the same ones who do the DBT so I know them quite well and get along with them, the one who I didn't get along with is on maternity leave :clap:
I have to hope it will help and I have to stick with it, even if I feel at times it doesn't. I want my two kids to have a happy and healthy mum and no long term social services involvement. I'll do anything they say right now and until they decide to discharge me, I want to be able to get to the point where I don't need them and they don't feel I need them either.
 
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NotNeurotypical

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I've been in DBT for almost two years now. I find the group sessions hard, and not that helpful. Like BorderlineDownunder I feel like the noisy ones are there for the attention and everyone else just fades into the background.. Sure, the homework helps, somewhat. But I feel like I've stagnated now. Unfortunately I HAVE to go to the group and individual sessions, or they might put me in the psych ward again.

I feel really drained after each group session, and increasingly annoyed with the other participants AND the "leaders".
Though I know DBT have worked for some, I don't feel like it's working for me.
I really hope it's going to work for you.
 
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I've been in DBT for almost two years now. I find the group sessions hard, and not that helpful. Like BorderlineDownunder I feel like the noisy ones are there for the attention and everyone else just fades into the background.. Sure, the homework helps, somewhat. But I feel like I've stagnated now. Unfortunately I HAVE to go to the group and individual sessions, or they might put me in the psych ward again.

I feel really drained after each group session, and increasingly annoyed with the other participants AND the "leaders".
Though I know DBT have worked for some, I don't feel like it's working for me.
I really hope it's going to work for you.
to make it all worse mine introduced a Bell

yes there was literally a bell they would ring if you made a Judgmental Statement.

Which i could never ever get my head around. Are we not allowed Judgment now, either? how is THAT helping?

so of course everytime someone spoke they were constantly interrupted by the ringing bell, so one of these people would say, well i went to my stupid job *ring* JUDGMENT STATEMENT

which is very disconcerting when it happens the first dozen times and a ginormous pain in the everything, thereafter.

God its no wonder i dropped out. That bell was rung constantly.
 
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NotNeurotypical

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to make it all worse mine introduced a Bell

yes there was literally a bell they would ring if you made a Judgmental Statement.

Which i could never ever get my head around. Are we not allowed Judgment now, either? how is THAT helping?

so of course everytime someone spoke they were constantly interrupted by the ringing bell, so one of these people would say, well i went to my stupid job *ring* JUDGMENT STATEMENT

which is very disconcerting when it happens the first dozen times and a ginormous pain in the everything, thereafter.

God its no wonder i dropped out. That bell was rung constantly.

Oh no.. I thought that was just a bad call from "my" people!
We have something similar, a sound-button that calls out "BULLSHIIIT" every time someone is judgemental or uses words like "should". It's really annoying, and not helping at all..
I just wanna hurl that tiny machine at their faces..
It kinda hurts every time someone pushes the damn thing, like my feelings ARE bullshit and not true.
 
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hi

I did half a DBT course dropped out and I can feel in my water they are going to make me do another.

I found it boring, useless, pathetic, just like any group of so called grown ups the Noisy ones Dominate the Class while the really sick ones sink to the back and say nothing.

But that was just my experience, I don't think the Facilitators on my course were very good in fact they were fucking terrible. Students, one NEVER smiled, like her fucking face would drop off if she did.

no wonder I dropped out.

all the Noisy ones spent half an hour updating the class on what their husbands said to them over the week and how they had a scented bath to handle it before going to work

basically, I don't even have a fucking job or a husband or even a bath, so what am I doing here amongst this passel of spoilt bitches :shrug:

ive been encouraged to go back though.

Not because it works, but because its literally THE ONLY TREATMENT THEY HAVE TO OFFER.

the drop out rate is 75% I found out later, which implies the 25% who don't drop out are Narcissists who enjoy the Attention, in my humble opinion, or else Too Polite to drop out.

but they keep assuring me, its helpful...:shrug: to whom, I don't know....them, I suspect...

I have seen mixed reviews of DBT... Like probably the version the Uk NHS uses and probably what you get isn't great, but over in the states they apparently do it properly.It's not meant to be just groups, you are meant to get individual therapy as well. And apparently the NHS version of DBT only focus's on a limited part of it, mainly dealing with self harm and then it isn't done properly . I could be wrong,but that is what I read. It doesn't go into the more useful stuff later on. Where they go into past trauma and basically try to rewire the brain. There isn't the funding for that.

I have read about many people having their lives completely changed through DBT,but like everything it's a case of get what you pay for. As a male with eupd traits EUPD is what they call BPD here {few months back they went from traits to the full disorder but have changed their minds again and think my issues is mainly PTSD with just traits I don't think it matters anyway as from reading PTSD/CPTSD/BPD really overlap, the latter is just more stimatised} I don't qualify for DBT anyway on the NHS as it's women only for some reason.Kind of glad I don't, as heard very mixed reports of NHS version of DBT.If I had the money I might pay for it privately to be honest and get the full course.
 
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to make it all worse mine introduced a Bell

yes there was literally a bell they would ring if you made a Judgmental Statement.

Which i could never ever get my head around. Are we not allowed Judgment now, either? how is THAT helping?

so of course everytime someone spoke they were constantly interrupted by the ringing bell, so one of these people would say, well i went to my stupid job *ring* JUDGMENT STATEMENT

which is very disconcerting when it happens the first dozen times and a ginormous pain in the everything, thereafter.

God its no wonder i dropped out. That bell was rung constantly.
I wouldn't last a session by the sounds of it. I'd be telling them where to shove their bell. And maybe their job is stupid!,whats wrong with calling a spade a spade. I mean fair enough if there hadn't been there five minutes, it may be wrong to make that judgement, but been there a while... maybe the job is crap, who is anyone to tell that person they can't make that judgement. ?

In my therapy, the psychologist just lets me talk and basically validates my feelings and agrees with what Iam saying about my life and past!, which is good and bad, as if Iam right, and my life is shit, why have I been judged such a lunatic I now need a total of 7 medical professionals keeping an eye on me? Maybe he will one day just say ' it's all your fault' I dunno.
 
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its pathetic where i live. honestly.

The DBT took 18 months to get into and it was a pack of Narcissists and bell ringers.

No wonder i dropped out.

The noisy ones sucked up all the session and the stupid ass facilitators let them, bell ringing all the while which sucks up even more

So 15 people (all of whom had jobs, families, lives, except me) sat about bitching about their weekend or their road rage and how they handled it

i went and had a scented bath one used to say, and i thought, why did he say that and why did i say that, so then i went back out and apologized to him bc it was my stupid ((((BELLLLLLL)))))) BPD and he was being an ass BELLLLLLL sorry he didn't react the way he should've BELLLLLLLLL

and thered be like 2 minutes left at the end for me to say, I was Fine.

:(

then sniff some rosemary, I'm not even kidding you.

then talk about the rosemary, and i said, its obviously not fresh BELLLLLLLLLLLLL
 
Hairy.Mary

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I have seen mixed reviews of DBT... Like probably the version the Uk NHS uses and probably what you get isn't great, but over in the states they apparently do it properly.It's not meant to be just groups, you are meant to get individual therapy as well. And apparently the NHS version of DBT only focus's on a limited part of it, mainly dealing with self harm and then it isn't done properly . I could be wrong,but that is what I read. It doesn't go into the more useful stuff later on. Where they go into past trauma and basically try to rewire the brain. There isn't the funding for that.

I have read about many people having their lives completely changed through DBT,but like everything it's a case of get what you pay for. As a male with eupd traits EUPD is what they call BPD here {few months back they went from traits to the full disorder but have changed their minds again and think my issues is mainly PTSD with just traits I don't think it matters anyway as from reading PTSD/CPTSD/BPD really overlap, the latter is just more stimatised} I don't qualify for DBT anyway on the NHS as it's women only for some reason.Kind of glad I don't, as heard very mixed reports of NHS version of DBT.If I had the money I might pay for it privately to be honest and get the full course.
I was told eupd is actually seperate from bpd
 
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I was told eupd is actually seperate from bpd
I'm a bit confused about this as well

i know BPD is considered outdated but i thought they were going to call it EDD emotional dysfunction disorder :shrug:
 
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whats in the DSM?

is EUPD in there as well as BPD?

Not that it matters i suppose, they'll keep changing them as they learn more.
 
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whats in the DSM?

is EUPD in there as well as BPD?

Not that it matters i suppose, they'll keep changing them as they learn more.
no idea but the dsm is just a mess.... I'm sure we're due an update soon so pharma can push more drugs anyway
 
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We don't have dbt here when I am yet just cpns teaching dbt skills hence why I think there are such bad reviews for dbt on nhs
 
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