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Completely unfair PIP decision

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E.Taylor

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Hello. I really need some advice/support.

I have been on DLA for around 12 years (low mobility med care) and never once had any problem with a claim, it was open and closed, they would assess me and agree that I needed it. I was diagnosed around 10 years ago with psychosis and severe depression and I need constant supervision to stay safe. I am unable to function normally without support. My mum has always cared for me and last year I got married my husband has taken over.

I was sent a letter to change over to PIP, I thought nothing of it, filled in the form, went to the assesment. I had thought that since close to a year now I have been worse than ever that if anything they would now award me high care. Instead they have scored me 0 points in everything and ended my DLA claim! We cannot live without it. My husband is unable to work full time since he cares for me, and I need someone with me constantly, especially at night as I self harm and have attempted suicide on several occasions.

The decision letter is detailed and cruely untrue/irrelevant. They are basically saying that since I turned up to the assessment dressed "approprietely" that I am not entitled.... She has emitted almost everything I said and only mentioned the couple of things which were (remotely) positive. I am honestly so shocked, I was completely honest and I described my problems in graphic detail and I can't imagine how anyone would consider me not to be severely incapable of basic functions. I feel like they want me dead, today all the voices are laughing at me "Ha! you benefit fraud, they want you to die so you will no longer be a burden, you should kill yourself" I feel suicidal. I am the way I am because of the actions of people in the past and now this cruel woman who assessed me is trying to finish what they started. I can't let them win, what can I do?

I have called them and they have told me I need to send a letter explaining why their decision is wrong within 28 days. They also would want further evidence. I have made an appointment with a doctor for thursday but to be honest I hate doctors and I never really see them, though when I do they tend to ask about my mental health, so I don't know what they can do.

Any help would be great thanks :sorry::confused:
 
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Did you enclose evidence with your PIP application? Generally the more evidence you can provide to support your claim the better the outcome. You should enclose evidence of your medications, i.e., repeat prescription note, a letter from your doctor to say you are unable to work, a letter from your carer saying what you are like on your worst day and supporting evidence from your support worker if you have one.

You need to word your application correctly, there's certain phrases you should use. It's a tickbox game really. I think you should go to your local CAB office and ask them for help.

Best wishes
 
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Almost nobody is getting PIP.. i haven't met a single person yet who has got it.. Much less know how they did it.
I've tried everything.. or should i say my CPN did.. She filled in the form for me and wrote letters.. And when they wanted more evidence she wrote to them again... i scored high on the fruit loop scale.. But all zeros on the looking after myself scale... Its all... Can i dress myself.. Wash, feed myself.. That sort of thing.. The second time i applied a woman from welfare rights came to see me and filled the form in for me.. And the phrase she kept on using was 'unprompted'... Do i actually need someone around to tell me when to do these things, if not I'm o.k.... i was supposed to go for an assessment last week.. But i didn't go...
The assessments are a classic Catch 22... If you turn up to the assessment you're fine and you don't need PIP.. If you don't turn up they bin your application. So you can't win.. I'm just waiting to get the letter saying they have binned me for not turning up... Then i think I'm going to let it go... The way that form is written, I'm not sure i do qualify.. And i was on DLA for life :mad:
 
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Hello. I really need some advice/support.

I have been on DLA for around 12 years (low mobility med care) and never once had any problem with a claim, it was open and closed, they would assess me and agree that I needed it. I was diagnosed around 10 years ago with psychosis and severe depression and I need constant supervision to stay safe. I am unable to function normally without support. My mum has always cared for me and last year I got married my husband has taken over.

I was sent a letter to change over to PIP, I thought nothing of it, filled in the form, went to the assesment. I had thought that since close to a year now I have been worse than ever that if anything they would now award me high care. Instead they have scored me 0 points in everything and ended my DLA claim! We cannot live without it. My husband is unable to work full time since he cares for me, and I need someone with me constantly, especially at night as I self harm and have attempted suicide on several occasions.

The decision letter is detailed and cruely untrue/irrelevant. They are basically saying that since I turned up to the assessment dressed "approprietely" that I am not entitled.... She has emitted almost everything I said and only mentioned the couple of things which were (remotely) positive. I am honestly so shocked, I was completely honest and I described my problems in graphic detail and I can't imagine how anyone would consider me not to be severely incapable of basic functions. I feel like they want me dead, today all the voices are laughing at me "Ha! you benefit fraud, they want you to die so you will no longer be a burden, you should kill yourself" I feel suicidal. I am the way I am because of the actions of people in the past and now this cruel woman who assessed me is trying to finish what they started. I can't let them win, what can I do?

I have called them and they have told me I need to send a letter explaining why their decision is wrong within 28 days. They also would want further evidence. I have made an appointment with a doctor for thursday but to be honest I hate doctors and I never really see them, though when I do they tend to ask about my mental health, so I don't know what they can do.

Any help would be great thanks :sorry::confused:
Sorry that has happened to you, a lot of people like us are being let down and this government are a disgrace. With assessments sometimes they fail people before they have entered the room I've heard. Don't feel like a benefit fraud thats what they want you to feel like and the whole benefits system is designed to make vulnerable people like us feel like that to put us off claiming.

What you need to do is get as much evidence as you can such as GP letters any other letters you may have relating to your illness's including your old letters if you still have them, and try look for other services if you can to support you such as mental health services and disability services. Things have changed a lot now so its always good to get somebody to help you with the form like a legal representative at a C.A.B or a welfare rights place. Make sure you take photo copies of your PIP form once you have filled it out and also take photo copies of all your letters. When you send in supporting letters write your N.I number on each one.

I know that this is a lot to do in such a small amount of time. I hope I've been of some help :hug1:

Oh just before I forget I was told that your interview can be recorded that generally helps.
 
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last i heard your interview can be recorded as long as they also have a copy which means dual tape recorder etc, my pip i used rethink and benefits and work web site for advice on filling the form, they give stock answers with the points scored, prompting as has been mentioned is relevant eben if you say someone phones you thats prompting, i said i go days without washing, to be exact i shower and change clothes every 2 days as it's a lot of trouble washing clothes in a manual washing machine, it;s also a lot of trouble cooking decent meals if your living alone make of that what they will

guy ar mind said i'm a very ill man, god knows it's part of the illness not knowing
 
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Thanks everyone for your support and advice, I will try my best :)
 
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As others have said, appeal, talk to any professionals that you see and ask them for letters about your condition, then if the appeal fails go to a tribunal. The tribunal is independent from the DWP and has actual humans looking at all your evidence.

I got extra letters from my physio and I won my tribunal for PIP, it is possible to win at tribunal
 
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As others have said, appeal, talk to any professionals that you see and ask them for letters about your condition, then if the appeal fails go to a tribunal. The tribunal is independent from the DWP and has actual humans looking at all your evidence.

I got extra letters from my physio and I won my tribunal for PIP, it is possible to win at tribunal
theres an asssumption somewhere there that you see proffessionals, my case is closed my gp has now gone on extended annual leave, seen a new one once, whats worrying is the dwp assume the needy have people milling around, used to be bedsitter and prescription now one room flat and prescription and feel i'm one stroke of a dwp clarks pen from homelessness
 
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