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You are not going to get lung disease vaping. Well done!!
Hmm but vaping is also not harm free. We don't really know the effects of it.

It is silly to say vaping is a safe alternative to smoking - it may be safer, but that doesn't make it safe.

Same with those chewing gums I've been on for years now - the nicotine itself is extremely harmful, causing cardiovascular and circulation problems.

Let alone a waste of money. I got myself hooked on the gums as a daily habit, and the smoking itself creeps it's way back in all the time.

I am now trying a cold turkey approach. (it's been about 3 hours on this approach, let's see how long it lasts)
 
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Hmm but vaping is also not harm free. We don't really know the effects of it.

It is silly to say vaping is a safe alternative to smoking - it may be safer, but that doesn't make it safe.

Same with those chewing gums I've been on for years now - the nicotine itself is extremely harmful, causing cardiovascular and circulation problems.

Let alone a waste of money. I got myself hooked on the gums as a daily habit, and the smoking itself creeps it's way back in all the time.

I am now trying a cold turkey approach. (it's been about 3 hours on this approach, let's see how long it lasts)
Wise words. It is better to abstain from Nicotine but tremendously difficult so if patches, gum or vaping works at least it’s a start. Good luck!
 
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Wise words. It is better to abstain from Nicotine but tremendously difficult so if patches, gum or vaping works at least it’s a start. Good luck!
Well the gum has not been working for me as I have been using copious amounts of the gum - and not gradually coming off it. I also have been chewing all the time, like non stop. I never do not have a piece in my mouth. On the packets it says you can use it at the same time as smoking, to help you reduce how much you smoke. So that's often what I've been doing, justifying I can still smoke and chew at the same time, so long as I'm smoking less it's fine.
But now I'm pretty much decided this can't go on much longer.
It's now been maybe been 16 hours since I've had any nicotine in my body and I have got a huge BUZZZZZ in my brain.
 
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I have got myself some mints instead of smoking. Shall we use this thread to support each other through stopping?
 
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Well the gum has not been working for me as I have been using copious amounts of the gum - and not gradually coming off it. I also have been chewing all the time, like non stop. I never do not have a piece in my mouth. On the packets it says you can use it at the same time as smoking, to help you reduce how much you smoke. So that's often what I've been doing, justifying I can still smoke and chew at the same time, so long as I'm smoking less it's fine.
But now I'm pretty much decided this can't go on much longer.
It's now been maybe been 16 hours since I've had any nicotine in my body and I have got a huge BUZZZZZ in my brain.
How typical is this for a BPD sufferer. I’ve tried giving up and chewing the gum but like you I did it non stop lol. All I got was a sore jaw and I lost two teeth 🙈
 
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I'm not in with these gums and patches stuff.

To get rid of the addiction you have to cut it out. Stopping nicotine isn't harmful at all (like alcohol can be).

It's not pleasant few days. I always found first week really tough, but then it gets to point after a couple of weeks and you'll be completely clear of it and not crave.

The next bit is the most important part. You have to abstain completely forever. Not one ever again. Easy part done - that's the point I've been so often.

The reason I smoke, even after completely ridding myself years ago... I stupidly had one, and slowly back on it again. Nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs known to us. Having other nicotine products just means it goes on for ever. (however, saying that, nicotine isn't harmful so anything that doesn't involve smoking it with cigs is better than nowt)

I agree with early poster, that if struggling and doing a lot of things at once, this won't be easy at all. Watch any heroin addict programme on tv, and all the ex's still smoke. That tells you something!
 
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Thank you for your advice. You are so sweet. You know me so well lol. I did indeed hit the said ‘bump’ after embarking on Radical Acceptance too early and indeed turned to my two remaining self destructive coping mechanisms..big time! The two I have left are cigarettes and cannabis. Here’s the thing, whilst cannabis leaves me with this risk of paranoia and smoking is on the face of it quite passive, it’s slightly different for me. That’s because my life of abusing my body is coming back to haunt me and I have been diagnosed with lung disease. It’s not progressive thank f*ck but it will be if I continue. So I’ve been stuck between a rock and a hard place, having smoking as a coping mechanism that I couldn’t stop whilst knowing it will eventually kill me if I continue, therefore increasing my suffering.
My creative solution, cook all my cannabis so I can’t smoke joints and making into fudge. (eating was another comfort) so I actually have two coping mechanisms rolled into one lol.
I am going to slow down on the recovery though..I’m totally exhausted. Thank you so much for your concern. 😘
First, big hug.

Second, have you looked into vaping?

Third, be kind to yourself. You should be proud of the progress you’ve made. It’s remarkable and inspiring. But don’t beat yourself up if you stumble back a few. That’s perfectly normal.

Slow and steady wins the race. You have a lifetime of heartache you need to process. Take it in bite sized pieces.
 
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If food gives you comfort, that’s ok too. You can always lose the weight when you feel more secure.
 
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How typical is this for a BPD sufferer. I’ve tried giving up and chewing the gum but like you I did it non stop lol. All I got was a sore jaw and I lost two teeth 🙈
Yeah the gums are ridiculous :/
Sorry you lost 2 teeth :(
 
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I'm not in with these gums and patches stuff.

To get rid of the addiction you have to cut it out. Stopping nicotine isn't harmful at all (like alcohol can be).

It's not pleasant few days. I always found first week really tough, but then it gets to point after a couple of weeks and you'll be completely clear of it and not crave.

The next bit is the most important part. You have to abstain completely forever. Not one ever again. Easy part done - that's the point I've been so often.

The reason I smoke, even after completely ridding myself years ago... I stupidly had one, and slowly back on it again. Nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs known to us. Having other nicotine products just means it goes on for ever. (however, saying that, nicotine isn't harmful so anything that doesn't involve smoking it with cigs is better than nowt)

I agree with early poster, that if struggling and doing a lot of things at once, this won't be easy at all. Watch any heroin addict programme on tv, and all the ex's still smoke. That tells you something!
Really into this completely cutting it out thing.

So you're saying cravings pretty much disappear after a couple weeks?

The main problem with cravings is lack of concentration, cravings interfering with the ability to 'do tasks'. That's the bit which sucks.

If i can get over this in a couple of weeks, I will ride it out
 
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Good luck and well done for all the progress you've made already, should be so proud of yourself!!
 
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Really into this completely cutting it out thing.

So you're saying cravings pretty much disappear after a couple weeks?

The main problem with cravings is lack of concentration, cravings interfering with the ability to 'do tasks'. That's the bit which sucks.

If i can get over this in a couple of weeks, I will ride it out
bold: ok, that's positive, I'll add a bit more

I'm telling it as it is @dewey - though importantly - it's MY experience, and not one fits all. (heavy smoker for 30 years) - a few quits, but last one, I absolutely nailed it. In 2 weeks I'd actually thrown out lighters / ashtrays etc, secret stashes in case run out etc. and if I smelt smokers, it make me sick :LOL:

My advice is avoid most advice. It's shit.

'don't go to places where you normally smoke like pubs / clubs type thing' - forget this crap. Once about 3 days in, go to pubs clubs / or places where you smoke

In reality. The first day, I didn't find difficult at all. Second day, you certainly notice it, and think about it a lot. This type of thing you need to do, the things you normally do, but have something to distract you.

1st distraction is this for me. You DON'T need to smoke. There is no benfit at all, and I lasted my first 15 years without it, or ever feeling the need to do it. So this is where you need to get to.

Let's not beat around the bush, this isn't easy. I think you have to commit to about 3 days - 1 week to rid the cravings out. Nicotine doesn't sit in system for long, so addictive as it is, it's also just a few days needed.

You have to get to grips with the fact that you are addicted to a drug far more addictive than something like heroin, so you can't get cocky.

Heroin addicts who get a few months prison, and no choice but to abstain, and come out and first thing they look for.

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bit of a waffle I'm afraid as in a rush,

I'm telling you, if you go through the few days, it's gonna be rough, and if other problems at moment, I don't think you'll succeed unless absolutely sorted that you want this shit out of your body.

2 weeks of abstinence for me, and it's gone. However, you have to continue abstaining even if tempted. It's always going to be there because you've probably done it for a long time. Most have,

I wasn't bothered at all by my abstain. I liked it. I felt a lot better.

I started again, partly by the fact that I couldn't find 1, so bought a pack (more SH than temptation tbh). 1st one made me sick. but soon back on again.

eugh, so stupid. wish I could replay that night again.
 
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