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Can you "hold down" a meaningful relationship?

Bluemoon

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i can barely hold down a meaningful relationship with myself
To be honest I'm finding that I have to coach myself through most days just to make sure that I don't get too stressed or anxious about things. Focusing on the positives in my life and what I do have is what allows me to keep control on the negative flotsam that my sub-concious kicks up each day. It is, just like you said, trying to "have a meaningful relationship with myself" and believe me I don't always succeed. But this is just my interpretation, you might mean something somewhat different by your comment up there ^^^.
 
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To be honest I'm finding that I have to coach myself through most days just to make sure that I don't get too stressed or anxious about things. Focusing on the positives in my life and what I do have is what allows me to keep control on the negative flotsam that my sub-concious kicks up each day. It is, just like you said, trying to "have a meaningful relationship with myself" and believe me I don't always succeed. But this is just my interpretation, you might mean something somewhat different by your comment up there ^^^.

no, that's exactly what i meant. I am usually so negative and down on myself that i couldn't possibly consider a meaningful relationship yet.. not until i like myself a bit better :rolleyes:
 
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Difficulty in explaining

Meaningful relationships -

When I talk about having a meaningful relationship, I (think) mean it when I am able to reconize it, when I am down I certainly don't reconize any form of relatinship with anyone - including myself!
At all other times I reconize that my wife puts up with an awful lot of c**p and that in itself to me is the realisation of a meaningful relationship.

Irrespective of marriage, I also think that meaningful relationships exsit outside in the real world - maybe we are mistaking the true meaning of the word for its sexual connotation?

I like to think (especially when my head is straight as it seems to be at the moment) that even on the internet now, we are having dialogue and a true meaningful relationship!
It is better I would concede that a face to face relationship may be better, but when I think back to before the internet it was extremely lonely out there! and therefore I consider myself very fortunate for being able to express myself here.

I have always been told to talk and then talk some more - with people face to face this is not always possible, how many people have you come across who are unable to actually 'listen', they are very good at talking about themselves but are unable to 'listen' to you, us men are prime examples of this.

So, what can I say now? it is down to each of us (I think) to make more of an effort to talk - even if it is 'only' on the internet!

I look forward to loads more conversations!

Michael :welcome:
 
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I agree, Michael, that meaningful relationships don't have to be in the sense of a relationship / partnership with the opposite sex (or indeed same sex, depending on your particular persuasion).. platonic friendships are just as (if not more) important ..

i have trouble with these too .

The internet can be a great place for interacting and forming friendships.
 
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The internet has helped me a great deal these past 8 years since I finished my studies. I read the news on-line ( mainly because I choose which stories I want to read, more or less a digital newspaper, unlike TV broadcasts - I don't like to see videos of some of the violence going on, it depresses me ), I've played on-line games on occasion ( another great way of mixing with people in a fun way, although some of the teen yobs can get your blood boiling :) ), use it to learn new subjects by using wikipedia or other reputable sites and just basically surf finding new things out that I never would've found out otherwise. It's also great to use instant messaging to keep in touch with old friends as well.

Without the Internet I probably would've found the past 8 years fairly difficult and perhaps boring to an extent with being unable to work and have the rewards that come with it. But I do other things too, like work out at the gym, read books, listen to my MP3 collection and of course, do my voluntary work once a week.

But web forums like these are just pure gold when you find a good one that has posters who don't attack you for having different beliefs or allow trolling to go on. I've had some very interesting discussions and debates with people about all kinds of things. When your feeling lonely during those long winter nights and have nothing better to do then you can just log in and get talking with people all over the world, which I still find amazing despite how long the internet has been going for now.

Yep, relationships and friendships can be made ( or broken :) ) on the internet and your identity is protected if there are any nasty arguments or disagreements. Heck, many couples are now meeting on-line these days and many find great matches to complement their lives - might try that myself one day but God knows I have to be careful.

Has the internet really helped anyone here this much ?
 
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Many years ago i saw a psychiatrist, he was into science fiction and i didn't know it but on my hospital notes it said "He spends all day lieing on his bed reading science fiction" science fiction was very suspect 30yrs ago.

We got talking and he said that in Isaac Asimov's The Naked Sun, it is hard to see how schitsoprenia could exist

In the book they all live alone in houses run by robots and communicate byh video conferencing, it was an early version of the internet they used to communicate with each other
 
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Many years ago i saw a psychiatrist, he was into science fiction and i didn't know it but on my hospital notes it said "He spends all day lieing on his bed reading science fiction" science fiction was very suspect 30yrs ago.

We got talking and he said that in Isaac Asimov's The Naked Sun, it is hard to see how schitsoprenia could exist

In the book they all live alone in houses run by robots and communicate byh video conferencing, it was an early version of the internet they used to communicate with each other
Today we are seeing a lot of science-fiction becoming science-fact - I wish someone ( Stephen Hawking ? ) would crack warp drive theory or maybe as a first step some fast interplanetary drive design that takes you to the other planets and moons of the solar system in a short time. I always. . . wanted to go. . . into space :D.
 
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Heard star trek called neo colonialism, also read in a science mag that stephen hawkings is the disabled witchdoctor of science and he isn't that brilliant

If he hadn't made the money, he'd have been put in some hospital home and left to rot, he'd have developed pneumonia and they'd have left him to die
 
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If he hadn't made the money, he'd have been put in some hospital home and left to rot, he'd have developed pneumonia and they'd have left him to die
Probably so.
 
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Anyone see the recent 2 part documentary on Channel 4 about Steven Hawking recently ?

He just keeps on going :) - very persistent with his work as well.

Looks like he's lost the use of his hand to select words on his comp and now uses a device attached to his cheek to select the words he wants to say.

I wonder how his experience has effected his mental health over the years, especially being confined to his chair and unable to move ?

I know I'd find it too much to live with, but then again he has good mental health and can do what he likes doing the most - trying to solve cosmological problems.
 
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Yes I saw the two part documentary,I thought it was very interesting indeed,especially about the 'black holes' which I've always found fascinating.

I was surprised to hear about the physical abuse he had suffered as I was unaware of this until I saw the documentary.

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Yes I saw the two part documentary,I thought it was very interesting indeed,especially about the 'black holes' which I've always found fascinating.

I was surprised to hear about the physical abuse he had suffered as I was unaware of this until I saw the documentary.

:tea:
Black holes are a strange, mysterious ( 'cause we don't know what actually happens in the very centre or what it actually looks like inside one ) and hold a strange attraction for me as well, pun intended ( groans :) ).

Anyway, I was surprised as well about the physical abuse but it's becoming a more recurring subject in the news with regards to people who rely on others to care for them - cases with the elderly, severely disabled, children and mental health patients as well. I really don't understand the minds of people who abuse others but especially those who abuse people with a disadvantage - what's causing that anyway ?
 
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I think the answer is in the question Bluemoon to be honest..

They take advantage of the disadvantaged,it's easy for them or so the wife of Mr Hawking thought until she was exposed for the vile creature that she is
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I think the answer is in the question Bluemoon to be honest..

They take advantage of the disadvantaged,it's easy for them or so the wife of Mr Hawking thought until she was exposed for the vile creature that she is
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The reason why I find it hard to understand is because of ethics - personally, I would find it impossible to mistreat someone in that way but I know there are a number of really unethical people out there who wouldn't give a second thought to doing it never mind feeling any guilt what so ever. Of course its easy for such people to take advantage of someone like Hawking, but I was asking the question to see what other peoples' opinions where and to maybe get some insight in to what goes on in the minds of such people. I had a feeling I should have put a reason after my question though, because the general reasons stand out like a sore thumb. I'll be more clear next time :tea:.
 
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