Can mental illness be prevented?

C

Chimera

Guest
#2
Tempted to rant on this topic, but will instead just quote. For some reason, I can't access the website George W. Albee, Ph.D. directly, so this is quoted from Google's cache:

George W. Albee

[...]

On leave in 1957, Albee served as director of the Task Force on Manpower of the Joint Commission on Mental Illness and Health. The book he wrote as a report on the nation's mental health human resources shortages was a major factor in redirecting national strategy in intervention. The work of the commission led to the development of the community mental health centers. Nicholas Hobbs called Albee's book one of the three most significant of the decade in the field.

[...]

By the mid-1960s, Albee was in a continuing, often acrimonious debate with psychiatry over the inappropriateness of the illness model of mental and emotional disorder and over medical hegemony. Albee's involvement in this debate continues, with clinical psychology also becoming a target of his wrath for devoting so much of its resources to one-to-one intervention in mental disorder rather than to prevention.

[...] He was a founding member of the American Psychological Society (1988) and an organizer and first president (1989) of the American Association for Applied and Preventive Psychology.

In 1971, Albee moved to the University of Vermont, where he established, in 1975, the Vermont Conference on the Primary Prevention of Psychopathology (VCPPP). Through 1993, VCPPP has held 17 conferences bringing together researchers, policymakers, and implementers of prevention programs throughout the world. VCPPP has become one of the world's leading forums for stimulating discussion and disseminating information on all aspects of the prevention of psychopathology. The books resulting from the conferences, many of which Albee has coedited, have helped shape the field and define its agenda.

A number of related themes have been interwoven in Albee's writing and lecturing over the years, constituting the heart of the message he has tirelessly carried across the American continent and around the world, from England to Australia, Hawaii to Hong Kong, Portugal to Pakistan. Major theses of his talks and writings are that social evils like racism, sexism, ageism, unemployment, child abuse–indeed every condition in which inequalities of power prevail and exploitation results–are responsible for far more psychopathology than twisted molecules; that mental and emotional disorders are too prevalent for any society to provide sufficient practitioners to treat the afflicted; and that consequently the most effective and humane way to reduce human suffering is through primary prevention.
 
cpuusage

cpuusage

ACCOUNT CLOSED
Joined
Sep 25, 2012
Messages
37,660
Location
Planet Lunatic Asylum
#7
I married one of those. I was brought up by two others.
Oh plenty of them around.

A few interesting Links -

Trauma Change Resilience: there is a drive to not only survive but to thrive


Trauma can be incurred in many different ways. This is only now becoming understood. Our culture has trauma and abuse that is often not recognized. There is, of course, too the sort that is obviously heinous and ugly. It can all impact the general well-being of those subject to it.

As a social worker and clinician working with “the seriously mentally ill” for many years, I never came upon someone who didn’t have fairly severe traumas in their histories. Yes, I can say those who I encountered who were in that particular labeled segment had a solid 100% rate of trauma in their histories. Mental illness in large part is a reaction to trauma. It’s quite simple really. When we start listening to people’s stories of pain rather than numbing them out and effectively silencing them with neurotoxic drugs we will start healing them. Until then people will remain broken. One of the most basic needs for a wounded human being to heal is to be seen. Recognized. Validated. Yes.

Without appropriate care and integration trauma changes both our bodies and minds for many years and sometimes for our entire lives. Right now the mental health system knows virtually nothing about how to care for people who have been traumatized and in fact often traumatizes them further. It’s downright dangerous to subject a traumatized person to most social services. This is a tragedy that has to end.

The woman in the above video is not alone in knowing how to approach those traumatized. We need this sort of empathic and loving care system wide.
Also of interest - Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) Study -

CDC - ACE Study - Adverse Childhood Experiences

The Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACE) Study is one of the largest investigations ever conducted to assess associations between childhood maltreatment and later-life health and well-being. The study is a collaboration between the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Kaiser Permanente's Health Appraisal Clinic in San Diego.

More than 17,000 Health Maintenance Organization (HMO) members undergoing a comprehensive physical examination chose to provide detailed information about their childhood experience of abuse, neglect, and family dysfunction. To date, more than 50 scientific articles have been published and more than100 conference and workshop presentations have been made.

The ACE Study findings suggest that certain experiences are major risk factors for the leading causes of illness and death as well as poor quality of life in the United States. Progress in preventing and recovering from the nation's worst health and social problems is likely to benefit from understanding that many of these problems arise as a consequence of adverse childhood experiences.
 
cpuusage

cpuusage

ACCOUNT CLOSED
Joined
Sep 25, 2012
Messages
37,660
Location
Planet Lunatic Asylum
#8
CDC - ACE Study - Major Findings - Adverse Childhood Experiences -

Major Findings

Childhood abuse, neglect, and exposure to other traumatic stressors which we term adverse childhood experiences (ACE) are common. Almost two-thirds of our study participants reported at least one ACE, and more than one of five reported three or more ACE. The short- and long-term outcomes of these childhood exposures include a multitude of health and social problems.

The ACE Study uses the ACE Score, which is a count of the total number of ACE respondents reported. The ACE Score is used to assess the total amount of stress during childhood and has demonstrated that as the number of ACE increase, the risk for the following health problems increases in a strong and graded fashion:

Alcoholism and alcohol abuse
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)
Depression
Fetal death
Health-related quality of life
Illicit drug use
Ischemic heart disease (IHD)

Liver disease
Risk for intimate partner violence
Multiple sexual partners
Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs)
Smoking
Suicide attempts
Unintended pregnancies
Early initiation of smoking
Early initiation of sexual activity
Adolescent pregnancy

_________________________________________


Of course all this information is complete Bullshit - it's peoples Defective Biology that is to Blame & we better Drug everyone up.
 
Hope2366less

Hope2366less

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 14, 2012
Messages
151
#9
Can mental illness be prevented?
The phrase "mental illness" doesn't mean much any more as the DSM is largely silly and always has been.

However you can ask better questions such as can suicide or psychosis be prevented? There's a lot we could do. There's a lot we could do about a whole lot of other issues too.
 
C

Chimera

Guest
#10
Of course all this information is complete Bullshit - it's peoples Defective Biology that is to Blame & we better Drug everyone up.
I've just been listening to an inspiring radio documentary:

BBC Radio 4 - And No Birds Sing: Rachel Carson and Silent Spring

I couldn't help being reminded of a phrase from this book review:

Amazon.co.uk: Dr. S. J. Yates' review of The Myth of the Chemical Cure: A Critique ...

This book is psychiatry's Silent Spring.
(If only!)

But I promised not to go off on a rant (if only for my own sake, having expended far too much time and energy on such rants, which always prove ineffectual).
 
Hope2366less

Hope2366less

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 14, 2012
Messages
151
#11
Well what's going to change?

With the public sex abuse scandals people are aware that there's a lot of horrible stuff happening to kids but even people with medical and psychology/nursing degrees don't have a clue about the effects and don't listen to us and go by the often nonsense in their textbooks as gospel.

The public don't give a fuck, we're in a rat race and if you were dealt bad cards in life and end up on the streets at 15 because you don't want daddy to rape you anymore who cares? They are too selfish to care, while telling themselves they really do care about the vulnerable people such as kids that get cancer (when they can tear themselves away from TOWIE to think for a minute).

Academics in these fields aren't the brightest lot, as so many of the brightest minds are attracted to where the money is, either in the arts or business or sciences.

The world doesn't give a shit.
 
cpuusage

cpuusage

ACCOUNT CLOSED
Joined
Sep 25, 2012
Messages
37,660
Location
Planet Lunatic Asylum
#12
But I promised not to go off on a rant (if only for my own sake, having expended far too much time and energy on such rants, which always prove ineffectual).
Yea - it's largely pointless - & it's impossible to change other people's thinking/beliefs.
 
Hope2366less

Hope2366less

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 14, 2012
Messages
151
#13
I'm quite proud of the venomity of that post I must say.
 
C

Chimera

Guest
#14
The phrase "mental illness" doesn't mean much any more as the DSM is largely silly and always has been.

However you can ask better questions such as can suicide or psychosis be prevented? There's a lot we could do. There's a lot we could do about a whole lot of other issues too.
Amen (but I'm not sure that "psychosis" is well-defined, if only because it just says "illness" in a dead language.)

And you can't even talk sensibly about the "medical model of mental illness", because the word "illness" is already there in the very language you are trying to use to criticise the model.

I will not go on a rant!
I will not go on a rant!
[... 100 times ...]
I will not go on a rant!
 
Hope2366less

Hope2366less

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 14, 2012
Messages
151
#15
I know what you mean the boundaries are not clear even with psychosis, but having gone mad I have had some unhealthy beliefs which I wish I hadn't. It's not always so clear though and culturally bound (a large problem in general with diagnoses).

On the other issue I could imagine the crackdown on pedophiles is actually economic, if they think that the more abuse goes on, the less taxpayers there will be, and the more benefit claimants there will be, long term. Why else would they waste policing resources? I mean it's not like they really care is it, with the number of young people out on the streets???
 
C

Chimera

Guest
#16
I know what you mean the boundaries are not clear even with psychosis, but having gone mad I have had some unhealthy beliefs which I wish I hadn't. It's not always so clear though and culturally bound (a large problem in general with diagnoses).
One tends to become endlessly trapped in a sterile, false dichotomy between, on the one hand, the "medical model of mental illness", and on the other hand, a denial that there is any specific kind of problem here - other than the problems caused by doctors and their drugs, which are indeed numerous and serious. I gave up months ago even trying to talk about it ("'It'? What's 'it'?" - etc.), and I don't like saying even this much. However, the question that is the title of this thread is not meaningless, even though the presupposition of the medical model appears to be contained in the language which it is forced to use. There are bad things to be prevented (e.g. I spent 4 consecutive days just before Christmas thinking obsessively about suicide, including planning physical details of an attempt, which I have scarcely done in 30 years - and no-one should ever feel like that, regardless of any conception of "illness" or anything else). And one of the main obstacles to their prevention is the medical model. I refrained from saying this initially! But it was implied in the passage I chose to quote. That passage also contains a much preferable phrase, "the illness model of mental and emotional disorder" - although even that phrase, or anything like it, can lead to endless, sterile, heated, bad-tempered arguments, here in this forum or anywhere else.
 
shaky

shaky

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 2, 2009
Messages
7,587
Location
Warwickshire
#17
but, but, but

the thread asks
'Can mental illness be prevented?'

and the answer would be
No

becuase people will always suffer trauma
People will always have to try to survive in a hostile world
and that will drive some into mental distress

I know the drugs they give us are only treating the symptoms.
And I don't take them anymore myself, despite what the doctors want
but when I was psychotic and desperate, the drugs did do me good


but now that that period is over...

yes, the drugs caused problems for me, making my brain act weird when I stopped taking them


the problem is, the pdocs keep using the treatment to stop the symptoms and never attempt to treat the cause.


but who has a cure for the cause?
I haven't heard of anything
 
Hope2366less

Hope2366less

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 14, 2012
Messages
151
#18
I'm only going to rant here and there, and not get into any long debate either. I'm only ranting because I'm empty and have nothing else to do now.

I agree however sick I (or other authors) believe our society is, there are always some things which can go wrong with individuals, once damaged from child abuse or early life adversity or otherwise, where the problems with society don't come into play at all.
 
cpuusage

cpuusage

ACCOUNT CLOSED
Joined
Sep 25, 2012
Messages
37,660
Location
Planet Lunatic Asylum
#19
but who has a cure for the cause?
I haven't heard of anything
Whatever can be said about that - you get slated as a dreamer, idealist & utopian - & accused of having unrealistic notions that deny the realities of human nature.

Personally I feel that a genuinely enlightened, genuinely civilised & caring society is possible - & I'm sure that many such Worlds exist in the Universe & indeed this Galaxy.

Will the Earth ever be like that? I feel it's choice - collectively & individually we could create a far better World; a World in which there were none of the injustices that currently exist. I'm not going to debate what that would take - but I feel it would certainly entail the end of the monetary system, all religions, & politics (in their current form) for starters. It would also need an aware & awake population. As a species are 'we' capable of it? Maybe - or maybe not. Time will tell. Things will change - how things change is another matter. There are a number of possible scenarios any one of which wouldn't surprise me. In some ways things may be too late.

& in the grand scheme of things - does of any of it really matter any more? I have no interest left in the mass of humanity. It would take miracles to change what the realities of my life have been (& I'm sure that of many others).
 
C

Chimera

Guest
#20
but, but, but

the thread asks
'Can mental illness be prevented?'

and the answer would be
No

becuase people will always suffer trauma
People will always have to try to survive in a hostile world
and that will drive some into mental distress
But you surely wouldn't suggest turning a blind eye to child abuse, for example.

(Of course I don't mean only high-profile, sensational, specifically sexual abuse by celebrities.)

So the answer is also
Yes

P.S. Obviously the question in the thread title doesn't mean, "Is it possible at a stroke to take decisive, heroic action, on a mass scale, which will ensure that no case of 'mental illness' ever occurs again, anywhere?" That would be like asking if there is an instant total cure for all physical diseases. In both cases, the answer is a resounding and obvious "No". It never even crossed my mind that anyone would interpret the question in that way, but now I'm beginning to wonder.
 
Last edited: