Aspergers is a type of schizophrenia?

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firemonkee57

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According to this lady.



I am not diagnosed with either Aspergers or schizotypal but could be said to, at least, have traits of both .
I know several people on another forum that have both diagnoses of ASD and schizophrenia .

When I mentioned Aspergers to my nurse practitioner she offered up schizotypal as an alternative explanation.

I think ASD can be comorbid with schizophrenia/schizotypal which,I agree, is not the same as saying Aspergers is a type of schizophrenia.
 
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hi firemonkee. i am nijinski, i recently joined the forum.i have been diagnosed with aspergers and there was no mention of schizophrenia.do you suffer any paraoia?
 
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This has shocked me, My daughter has ASD, I wonder if this is actually true?
 
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hi firemonkee. i am nijinski, i recently joined the forum.i have been diagnosed with aspergers and there was no mention of schizophrenia.do you suffer any paraoia?
I suffer with some paranoia. Those with ASD can do due to the bullying and social rejection they receive.
 
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I used to work at a special residential school for ASD children. Also from my psychology degree they are both extremely separate diagnoses. Of course it would be possible to have both Autism and Schizophrenia but Autism is not to my knowledge a type of schizophrenia.
They may share similarities or symptoms but both are very different.
Szhizophrenia is more around hallucinations and that kind of thing, whereas Autism is primarily a communication disorder, including social skills.
There may be overlap though, so a schizophrenic may have poor social skills or may not even speak.
If you want more precise info then you would need to seek advice from a specialist.
 
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Here is an article from Psychiatric Times that goes into more measured detail.
Autism and Schizophrenia | Psychiatric Times

It and some of the comments seem to imply that ASD and schizophrenia have many similar symptoms and might have some biological or genetic connection - but I get the sense that no-one is sure - perhaps there hasn't been enough reserach to make a case. Especially since what exactly schizophrenia is seems to be very vague even among psychiatrists.
 
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Autism and schizophrenia are totally different conditions ,schizophrenia's negative symptoms mimic Autism total lack of social expression, but that’s like saying an asthma attack is Emphysema ,yes they at first glance look similar but are different diagnosis and treatment and life effecting ,schizophrenia is said to be close to bi polar disorder but even that is debatable .
 
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The latest postmortem brain tissue studies on gene expression have revealed that 106 genes expressed at lower levels in autism and schizophrenia brains than in controls. In the study, gene expression in schizophrenia and bipolar disorder were not notably similar, even though schizophrenia is presently thought to have stronger genetic ties to bipolar disorder than to autism. The similarities could stem from a shared mechanism for the two conditions. or they may reflect common processes that compensate for the other brain changes. This doesn't prove cause and effect(for now). However the results are compelling enough that the day may come where the term "Schizophrenic Autism" is listed in the DSM and ASD recognized as a nicer name for childhood schizophrenia.
 
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This is a simple mistake. Somebody who has Schizophrenia can also meet the criteria for Asperger's. When Asperger's was a separate diagnosis, the last criteria that was to be met was that they did not fit the criteria for Schizophrenia.
 
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I don't know about this - there's a lot of symptom overlap in mental health. Just like SomeGuywithAspergers said, a patient with one condition can meet criteria for another. As another example, people who suffer from DID show more symptoms of schizophrenia than those diagnosed with schizophrenia!

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