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Are psychiatric drugs overprescribed?Should we be using indigenous plant medicines instead?

Only 5% of the World Population, U.S. Takes 50% of Big Pharma Drugs : Natural Society

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Ignoring the fact David Icke is involved I think there is truth in what he says that the names of prescription drugs are more well know than the names of natural remedies, like Aloe barbadensis and Carcuma longa and Allium sativum, Moringa oliefera,Vitis vinifera L, indigenous plants he says that have healed millions around the world.I haven't heard of any but I am going to look them up and find out what they do.I assume they can heal psychiatric conditions, so will post again and let you all know what they do.
 
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Here is what i found:

http://aloeveracultivation.blogspot.co.uk/2011/10/high-quality-aloe-vera-plants-for-
sale.htmlhttp://www.bitterrootrestoration.com/medicinal-plants/garlic-allium-sativum-l.html

Medicinal Properties

Moringa Oleifera Medicinal Uses and Properties | The Moringa

Grape Vine - Vitis vinifera | Medicinal use, description and other useful informations about Grape Vine
List of Medicinal Herbs - INDEX



Most of these natural plant foods help with physical ailments and Alzhiemers.But I am sure there are other that help with psyche symptoms, grape tree leaf is said to help with insomnia.Garlic has antibiotic effects as well as anti fungal, helps with high blood pressure and cholesterol.If you have time browse the last link for a list of medicinal herbs, click on the individual herb names for a synopsis of it's healing properties.
 
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Ignoring the fact David Icke is involved
i don't entirely agree with him on everything, some of his work i think is very poorly researched, & whole areas are omitted & often very one sided & without critical analysis. His approach to spirituality is very basic, almost childlike - But with that aside, in essence i think he's right, he may have some of the details a bit skew, but overall, he's far from the first or only person to come out with all this 'theme' of stuff. i think it frightens people that he may actually be right, it radically alters the sanctioned views/conceptions of reality, & it opens up areas for which most people in the West have incredibly little experience, knowledge or understanding.

i was chatting with someone the other week, & they went on & on about all kinds of conspiracy theories & aliens - then mentioned Icke & said he parted company with him on talk of reptilians - It made me smile, & made no sense in the context of what else he was discussing, that was far more out there than Icke's material.

Despite the lack of depth & discussion on certain areas by Icke (which is very understandable given his education & previous career) i don't see what is so bad about everything he comes out with? In relation to some stuff it's very tame - Despite the lack of comprehensive depth, he comes across as generally very calm, lucid, & makes sense in what he says.

i understand if you don't want to discuss it Nicola, & your entitled to any opinion you like on him, i just don't see him as this big bad bogeyman. i find him quite endearing.

If he is 'mad' - then excellent - He got away from all the crap we've had to go through & he's got millions of people listening to him.
 
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If he is 'mad' - then excellent - He got away from all the crap we've had to go through & he's got millions of people listening to him.
i wish i had his bravery & confidence to get out there & speak my truth/mind without a care for what other people thought. i admire him.
 
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i wish i had his bravery & confidence to get out there & speak my truth/mind without a care for what other people thought. i admire him.
Except our messiah is a money/status seeking hypocrite, he craves money and status, frequents the groucho club a high status celebrity haunt he has been photographed there with his pal , Russell brand, who is a twerp in my book.He also gets his funding for TPV from a billionaire Mussief Islam, check him out, TPV is registered in his name.He has pocketed almost half a million in donations for TPV from the public whilst being backed by a billionaire.His behavior is atrocious, emotional blackmail he made a video blasting people who watched TPV but didn't donate, saying they were thieves and parasites and responsible for the Orwellian state, he was red hot angry and not walking in love. He is arrogant, egotistical and he does not allow people freedom of speech.People are banned on his forum for asking questions about his work , anything short of blind belief in him,his books and what he says is not tolerated.He simply refuses any scrutiny of himself, basically because he is a total hypocrite and does not walk his talk.See here Truth Zone | Forum :: Topic: David Icke - The Peoples Voice (1/93)

And here:Truth Zone | Forum :: Topic: Dish the Dirt on the David Icke Forum (1/34)

You will say well he is like that because what he says is true and he no longer cares what people think of him, and rightly so, but his forum is run like a fascist or communist dictator would run things and has an awful lot of members on it that are into the occult, satanists frequent that forum and sinister tales are coming out of it.Not at all what it says on the tin our Icke.I do acknowledge some of the things he claims and says are true, but don't admire him Cpuusage, you are more to be admired than he ever is or was.It is the facts about him that turn me off , facts about his behavior and the fact he hasn't changed a thing or created a movement of change, just keeps people interested enough to buy his books and give him money and attend his lectures, he is a business man primarily, it is not just my opinion, he is emmeshed in the very system with the very people he claims are part of the conspiracy.I mean Brand is going out with Jemima Goldsmith and he and Icke are very close. But he has you fooled and I can't stop people making their own minds up can I?I am just sorry so many have bought into his infinite love is the only truth, because in his own personal behavior that is not true.He does not walk his talk.They have well and truly had the wool pulled over their eyes.NicolaX
 
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Thanks for posting these - I've saved one of the links.

I was interested to read about garlic helping arteries to be more elastic and reducing body fat, because I have high blood pressure and have put on so much weight.

I'm posting the link to the home page of one of the sites you mention - Health From Nature - because it lays out the info in what I found to be an easy to use format - Health from Nature - Home Remedies and Natural Cures.

I wish that medicine was like this - that when you went to the doctor they turned to natural remedies, vitamins and minerals first, before resorting to pharmaceuticals.
 
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Yeah apple, i wish doctors did that, said, well instead of giving you a drug, go and consume garlic regularly, or have some valerian or Kalms if you can't sleep.Take some St John's Wort for your depression and also i've booked you into a hotel by the sea for a weekend , that should sort your stress out .Lol!
I used to be totally into natural medicine, apple, I lost that part of myself. Thank you for re-igniting that in me. I look forward to sharing remedies with you.How is your withdrawal going?Is it terribly hard going?Are your family supportive?
 
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Yeah apple, i wish doctors did that, said, well instead of giving you a drug, go and consume garlic regularly, or have some valerian or Kalms if you can't sleep.Take some St John's Wort for your depression and also i've booked you into a hotel by the sea for a weekend , that should sort your stress out .Lol!
I used to be totally into natural medicine, apple, I lost that part of myself. Thank you for re-igniting that in me. I look forward to sharing remedies with you.How is your withdrawal going?Is it terribly hard going?Are your family supportive?
I've also been encouraged by us chatting about it here. Regarding the withdrawal, I'm sending you a PM. xx
 
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Except our messiah...
Well he certainly isn't mine - i just see him as a conspiracy researcher, & not a great one at that - i could list many others who i think are better. There isn't anything that i've learned from Icke that i haven't already come across independently. There is no great revelation, nor any great teaching.

He's not that different to what countless other people have done/do - & isn't that dissimilar to what some spotty teenagers research on the internet in their bedroom. You could have found a very similar overview (in fact more in depth) by researching/reading certain/material books in the 50's.

People are banned on his forum for asking questions about his work
i don't use his forum, have never & wouldn't be interested in using a conspiracy forum. i don't know what goes on there, it doesn't really interest me.

There are a lot of questions that i'd put to him as well, & certain inconsistencies that i am well aware of.

You will say well he is like that because what he says is true and he no longer cares what people think of him
Not at all. As i keep saying i don't agree with him on everything, far from it, & there are massive areas that are omitted. In very basic essence i do agree with what he says, but i held those views long before he came out with them, as have many others. His mistake, in my view, is that he believes that he can change it all.

you are more to be admired than he ever is or was
That is very kind of you, but probably unwarranted.

has an awful lot of members on it that are into the occult, satanists frequent that forum and sinister tales are coming out of it.
There are countless sinister tales coming out of the internet. The occult (hidden) is not the same as Satanism, they are entirely different areas. i personally see absolutely nothing wrong in exploring esoteric & occult knowledge if that is what some people are drawn to, & i wouldn't claim any kind of authority on such areas (which are vast & very in depth), & my own practise is very much a Light one, but i have looked into certain things. i'm not sure that certain things can really be better understood without more of an understanding on the occult?

But he has you fooled
He doesn't have me fooled with anything. As i've discussed a lot on here, he isn't someone that i've looked into that much, i'm not some disciple of Icke. i've watched some of his stuff, & read/skimmed a few of his books - i far from agree with it all, & feel that these areas are far better covered by others. i've hardly watched anything of TPV, & never donated any money to him.

As i also said above - his spiritual 'cosmology' is like something a child would create, & in relation to certain areas there is no real depth or substance. It's just a digestion of whatever he comes across, with little real consideration or critical analysis & then regurgitating it all out, with a myriad of areas he either seems totally unaware of or won't discuss.

From the point of view of an interesting character - who had some kind of visionary experience & then decided to become an author/speaker - good luck to him, it doesn't bother me. i find him amusing & quaint. i don't really care who he is other than that, or what he's doing.

infinite love is the only truth
To greatly generalise that is really the vision of Christianity as well, & i'm not overly impressed with 2,000 years of that either.
 
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