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Anti Psychotics.... to medicate or not

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I hate being on Anti Psychotics and liken them to a modern day form of lobotomy but what other real choices are there for someone who is dangerously psychotic.
For example what choice do doctors have if you are intent on cutting out imagined bugs under your skin or wanting to kill someone to save the world ect
 
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Rufus may is a doctor in uk that treats people with out the use of meds and has been psychotic himself ...there was a documentary made about it and can be found on his web site


http://www.rufusmay.com/
 
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half way....only hope they discover something better then anti psychotics in the future that doesn't have the side affects
 
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half way....only hope they discover something better then anti psychotics in the future that doesn't have the side affects
The trouble is that it is very hard to access what alternatives there are; not that alternatives don't exist; as they plainly do.

Especially for the majority of people; given their circumstances - there is no real choice; it's either meds (often enforced) or nothing.
 
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I was kind of looking at it from a doctors view point....what choice does a doctor have when faced with someone dangerously psychotic.Only thing really available to them is anti psychotics.
I often wonder if my outcome would have been different if i had just been dosed up on barbiturates or put in an induced coma or something when i first became ill and was hospitalized.I wasnt totally out of control and dangerous but did see people in the hospital who were.
I also wonder if my brain was damaged more by the drugs they gave me or weather it was the result of my illness.
Read an article recently that said it has been proven that anti psychotics cause brain damage....here the link http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/psychiatric-drugs/antipsychotics/neuroleptic-brain-damage/shrinking-brain/
 
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Yes, anti psychotics cause brain damage - they are highly damaging drugs. But so does leaving people with nothing cause damage. What is needed is comprehensive care & proper psychological help. But you won't find it on the NHS. After 20 years of meds & sections; then what am I meant to do now?
 
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Psychosis doesn't cause brain damage. Brain damage is caused by antipsychotic medications. If someone tells you that you will get brain damage from prolonged psychosis, he/she is lying.
Why they don't use straightjackets or hand cuffs for violent patients? Why the need of chemical lobotomy?
 
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I don't know any more propane. I wanted comprehensive psychological help from day one - I never got it; & it isn't available to me. 20 years later; & after all this time of some hospitalisations in the past, years of meds, & years of severe illness; & I have to try & let go of stuff & be as accepting as I can.

For over 4 years now I have been posting on-line about 'alternatives' to orthodox psychiatry, & different perspectives to all this 'stuff'. It just seems like it has all been largely pointless. Most people want a diagnosis & meds. Over half the country are on anti depressants & assorted psychiatric medications. & the majority of people do not question such things; & are largely satisfied with that.

Maybe; given present circumstances, it is best I take meds; & just go with residing myself to orthodox understandings? For all the work, the effort, the pain & the suffering that I have gone through; my circumstances have remained largely the same. That I'm unwell, that things are no different for me than for most others diagnosed with schizophrenia. Having suffered at a more extreme end of the scale; with severe MH difficulties; the story of my life - I have found very few people who genuinely want to affect any kind of change or genuine help. That's the way it is. Me being aware of reams of information on depth psychology, spirituality, alternative & holistic paradigms, & all the rest - really makes little difference to the diagnosis; being prescribed meds, & having to live under the present inhumane social climate & abysmal MH system of 'care'.

It's probably far better to not even bother frustrating ourselves with the injustices of the system, the lack of care & genuine methods of recovery, & bemoaning the present barbarity of the bio-medical model in relation to mental health. What good does any of it really do? The system won't be changed; what we have & have had will carry on - regardless of whatever sense, & truth a certain few people are aware of. Society isn't about the truth - people don't care about justice or the truth. We are living in incredibly bizarre & strange times. & things will only get worse; likely a lot worse - they won't improve.

A few people speaking out about things, or posting 'alternative' perspectives on a MH forum - will do nothing to change anything; except annoy most people.
 
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Hey apo
I sympathize with you as im in a similar predicament as im sure thousands of others are.
I see money and resources to be the core of the problem ...its the same right across the whole medical system.There are people dieing because they cant get operations they need because of lack of money and resources.
Its not a perfect world we live in and unfortunately unless your rich and have loads of money you wont get the best help available.Im sure doctors are well aware of the mental health crisis but they are forced to work with what they have.Its a lot easier to drug someone up and push them out the door then to embark on intensive live in rehabilitation.Its a sad fact of life unfortunately.
I have often wondered if it would be possible to set up a commercially viable live in type rehab center.Like a self sufficient type farm where patients could earn their keep by working in different areas while selling excess produce to the community. You could have a bakery,butcher,vegetable farm,mechanics workshop ...all sorts of things....Some people might end up living there full time while others would learn the skills they need to move on with there lives and become part of the main stream again.
Might be just a pipe dream but i refuse to lie down and die so to speak and accept the way things are at present.
Change has to start some where and talking about it is a good starting point.
Remember the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
 
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Might be just a pipe dream but i refuse to lie down and die so to speak and accept the way things are at present.
Change has to start some where and talking about it is a good starting point.
Remember the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
There does need to be change. & I have loads of ideas about how things could be done far better. But there are many dynamics at play here. The main one being money - that psychiatry; like any other business in a profit based capitalistic system; has as it's basis the acquisition of money.

As long as the dominant control & focus remains the pharmacology industry; & as long as society; & the general medical profession view things largely from the paradigm of the Bio-medical model - & the majority of people buy into all that - then nothing much will really change - the situation will only worsen. This is the way I see it.

Since day one; there have been people who have promoted, argued, & campaigned for more humane, comprehensive, & compassionate methods of treatment & paradigms of care. From right back to psychiatry's beginnings some 200 years ago.

To have genuine change; would take I think; a massive collapse of the systems that we have at present. Catastrophic economic collapse, societal collapse, peak oil; & other massive society changers; a situation in which the present paradigm can no longer be blindly accepted; but be seriously rethought & re-evaluated.

You have a grass roots; & minority position from those who see entirely different ways of approaching MH issues. There has always been this minority. Until such perspectives, understandings, & paradigms are a majority - I don't see things changing. The Behemoth of the pharmacological psychiatric system; is too large, too entrenched, & too established; for it to be changed by education & talk alone. It will take a massive blast of some kind to shake it's foundations.

Until then, & if that happens?, I no longer really see the point in trying to promote, talk about & explore other & better ways of MH treatment. If the general consensus is to ignore & deny such 'alternative' methods - then what is the point? To the average person, like myself, who can be aware of a great range of things in the genuine care & treatment of the mentally unwell - what good does it do?; when faced with no way of accessing or implementing such methods; & faced with the orthodox model of being drugged (often forcefully) & having to live under the present system & model of MH practices. Such a position creates a lot of sadness & frustration. It is probably better to just not focus on any of it; & to accept things the way that they are.

Much like arguing that the World is in fact round; & not flat - to a world of people that believe it is - that's how it feels sometimes with MH issues & present paradigms - The present system & view is that MH is predominantly biological - genetics & brain chemistry - label people, drug them up, electrocute the brain, lock them up if needs be, & don't do much else. I find it all as barbaric as past orthodox paradigms of MH care from the past 200 odd years - MH treatment hasn't progressed much; & I don't see it doing so any time soon.
 
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I don't care if this is useless. I will still say my opinion about the cause of mental illnesses. I will try to convince some doctors too (not psychiatric doctors, they wouldn't listen) to try antibiotic treatments on patients who suffer from mental conditions and are at the same time infected by those bacteria that are "quite harmless" by the general medical opinion but still found from too many mental patients.
 
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