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I would like first to break down and redefine the word addiction. I think it is a highly capitalistic and marketable word; full of human resources and capital that I see in society, becoming the standard of “normal” relations. We all want to be loved and to love. Chemicals have become the avenue of achieving this. Be it a cup of caffeine in the office with a good helping of sugar to make the “medicine go down”, a cigarette at break with coughing “fits”, or a drink after work with the Boys or Girls to “loosen up”, taking a bong hit, dropping some acid, eating a magic mushroom, doing ayuahasca in the jungle, taking your script to the pharmacy and using a pill minder to be emotionally, mentally, or socially acceptable. By using these chemicals in these ways we Advertising our Willingness and Making an Effort to Fit In.


Chemical use is not only a part of society, it is an ancient practice of humanity. Sometimes used to actually cure illnesses or disorders, but most often (especially in modern society) to affect consciousness and increase either our personal profit margin or marketability.


By becoming dependent on a chemical, we “add diction” to our social OR anti-social vocabulary. Over time the Dosages inevitably go up or new chemicals are tried, in the hopeless race to fit in a social group, a company, or a society. Little regard is given to whether that social group, company, or society is worthy of your efforts – to fit in perfectly and “achieve” is the goal? They did not originally accept you as you came into the scene, but made every effort to mold you into something useful for its purposes and by doing so, probably harmed you. Guidance is required in life and good friends and family are often hard to find, more often than not they have been harmed too and pass it along. So long chains of causality (some times called 'Karma') extend through our relations and affect and effect, in this world.


In effect what is going on is suicide. We are not happy how we are, where we are what we are... so we chemically alter ourselves, incarcerate ourselves, or inebriate ourselves. I don't care how little you practice it, or how rewarding it is, it is essentially offing your natural experience and present state in the flesh and pining for death (heaven or hell) and release. Totally understandable. Stick around instead and share your insight and wisdom with us until time calls for you. Everyone is going to die, don't rush it, trust it. It's hard but that is primarily why we came here.


Chemical use has side effect. Some side effects simply mean you are not who woke up as, your not as you truly were prior to the chemical interruption, or the side effects can be much worse (and often are the longer you use them) including death or maiming. Side effects are rarely talked about or researched prior to the use of the chemical. Most people don't realize them until they are well along in the use. No doctor that wants you to take the pill, nor dealer on the street corner, or shaman in the forest (if they even know) are going to list for you all the bad shit a chemical can do to you if they really want your money and business. Once again its all about business in these days and markets, and “fitting in”. .


Some drugs fall out of fashion or are replaced with more effective compounds. Effective meaning they have a greater effect on consciousness than the previous drugs, typically. Once again some chemicals are useful, they wouldn't be on this planet if they weren't. But once you add in the mix marketing and profit margins, and of course the will to alter your consciousness to fit in – shit can become a staple. At one time cigarettes were considered healthy and doctors recommended them on TV; which brands were the best, etc. Now, “bad people smoke.” How fucking fickle is the profit pickle, either for a state or corporation! If you think that people in lab coats are immune to social pressure and market forces in a capitalist society, perhaps it is the drug you are currently on, or the effective marketing scheme leading you to believe that, or simply your desire to “fit in”.


Fit into what exactly?
 
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Not entirely convinced.

If we look at ancient tribes of south america and especially south america we see people taking mind altering substances. these peoples are not part of our modern society but are utterly connected to the human species.

These people don't take wildly mind altering substances because they're unhappy with themselves.
 
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I agree existence, but many of us do. Why is that? What is the fundamental difference between your proverbial tribe in the rain forest and our struggles? Is it connection to mosquitos and snakes, hunting and gathering the next meal, or simply a connection to each other and our community and a more reasonable view of livelyhood?
 
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Maybe it's part of their belief system or spirituality?

I think certain substances can "open" the mind and that can keep people returning to that substance in order to find out more? in the modern/western area it could be classed as adiction, I personally think there could be more to it than just adiction.
 
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Maybe it's part of their belief system or spirituality?

I think certain substances can "open" the mind and that can keep people returning to that substance in order to find out more? in the modern/western area it could be classed as addiction, I personally think there could be more to it than just addiction.
I am glad you pointed that out.

I tried pot in the 1990s about 4 times. Each time was different and a preview of my spiritual emergency that would come at the turn of the century. What I find is that psychedelics, or as Terrance McKenna would call 'Entheogens' (Including Marijuana), are typically abused in western society, they are taken recreational, without ritual or proper "set and circumstance". This can lead to spiritual emergencies or what psychiatry calls 'psychosis', acute or chronic.

Lately there has been a huge resurgence in the popularity of psychedelics, with legalization in some countries. Pot in particular is the 'van guard psychedelic' in this. All the arguments against pot being a "gate way drug" crumble in the face of this political and legal challenge. In places where it is considered medicinal and not yet recreational, it is not really treated as medicinal in reality. Doctors that give prescriptions for marijuana to those that ask, hardly ever indicate what type of pot or dosage of what chemicals in it.

I lived in California for over 44 years, only recently left it. I have been around pot for most of my life. There are huge amount of varieties. Many of my friends are of my age bracket and have used it relationally (legal or not). Starting in the 70s marijuana began to be genetically modified, to increase THC primarily (the active ingredient of the "High" that it gives). Now that it is legal you can buy grades that have increased levels of other 'cannaboids'. What I have seen is market forces at play with the plant and capitalistic exploitation of the plant, both when it was a shadow market or a now a legal market.

What i see happening is that we are acquiring Shamanic tools for healing and insight and making them into something akin to Coca Cola or Pepsi and distorting the both the Shamanic intent and genetics of these plants to please consumer desires.

Ayahuasaca is one case of this, two definite Shamanic pair plants, that are heavily marketed. A whole line of tourism to South America has opened up essentially called "psychedelic tourism". Where people go to different countries and locales with the express intent of having a psychedelic trip with Ayahuasca. Instead of getting an authentic Shamanic experience, which could take months or years, these "trips" are packaged in 3 to 5 days (maybe at best two weeks) and you are off back home to deal with the fallout. Already reports of robberies, rape, spiritual emergencies, and even deaths are coming back.

Indigenous people are typically poor and disenfranchised people, because the west has no use for them, they have been looked at as being in the way of progress. As such, indigenous people once introduced to the west react. The temptation to take a Shamanic plant or substance and use it to attract American or European dollars is a huge temptation.

What I am trying to tell you is that. the infomercial that is being played about indigenous and traditional shamanic medicine, is rigged and already corrupted. Once again, "Add Diction" adding diction to a social or anti-social vocabulary.
 
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...and you are off back home to deal with the fallout. Already reports of robberies, rape, spiritual emergencies, and even deaths are coming back.
All more the good for the Industries of the prison industrial complex, medical & psychiatric/pharma industries - especially in the Great o'l US of A.

A lot of genuine Shamanism i don't think has anything to do with 'Entheogens'.

As a young adult/kid (15 - 18) - i got very caught up in drugs - the whole youth/counter culture of Mckenna/Huxley/Castaneda/Anton Wilson/Leary/Crowley etc. i was very influenced in ways by the 60's, growing up in the 70's/80's/90's. i got very into the Rave/Underground music scene. Age 17 it was 4 months on a locked ward with very severe psychosis being very heavily medicated - & repeating patterns, taking until i was 28 to try & extract myself from it all, & deal with it all more fully - am still dealing with it all age 42, & trying to work it all out, heal & recover from it all.

The same cultural forces do very much appear to have made a massive resurgence, as you observe, albeit in slightly different forms -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterculture_of_the_1960s#Religion.2C_spirituality_and_the_occult

Very interesting in ways to study it all. This Civilisation/Especially 'Western' Culture is very Odd, to say the least. & all the while 'we're' laying waste to the natural environment. Humanity is addicted.

Massive ingestion of psychiatric drugs, especially in America, but very much in the UK as well - & there is this almost Universal Denial/Normalisation/Conspiracy of Silence around it all.

There doesn't appear to be much of a wider cultural discussion? - But maybe that's my perceptions? Or maybe people don't understand more the cultural/social contexts/forces? Or are so confused by it all & the educational/media brainwashing that it's too much for their brains to 'compute'? i don't know? As i say, it's all very odd.
 
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All more the good for the Industries of the prison industrial complex, medical & psychiatric/pharma industries - especially in the Great o'l US of A.

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There doesn't appear to be much of a wider cultural discussion? - But maybe that's my perceptions? Or maybe people don't understand more the cultural/social contexts/forces? Or are so confused by it all & the educational/media brainwashing that it's too much for their brains to 'compute'? i don't know? As i say, it's all very odd.
In deed.

I find that as a whole people, when they identify with consumerism (product or thing orientation) where ever they, are: 1) Are only awakened if a "threat" to the maintenance or acquisition to those products is present 2) Are well trained to rely on "authority" figures to resolve the perceived "threat" 3) Do not really communicate with each other or across ideological boarders, they argue and attack.

It doesn't matter whether a group of people in a State describe the state as democratic, unless the society is democratic in all aspects of society, it can not be called a democracy. All the solutions of states: Slavery, Cast systems, feudalism, capitalism, at some level all exploit a large portion of the population for the benefit of minority.

I see the 60s happening again, some of the good components are here, but also bad components that are present for the very purpose of curtailing a true shift in society. It is like a I posted about the Alternative movements surrounding psychosis, they all started out correctly, but most have resorted to capitalizing, which corrupts it, by putting it in the "bully" framework (ie. Only those with enough money, connection and time (all three) can have the opportunity to be "well"). "Wellness" is defined as going back to the work place and playing the capital game in the psychiatric paradigm and it is nearly the same in the alternative movement now.

I think the book that opened my eyes to what was going on with drugs (in all forms) was the book, A Brave New World , By Aldous Huxley. The author wrote a pivotal book about LSD titled, The Doors of Perception , which influenced the 60s drug movement, but often Brave New World is not spoken about, and it is actually more important in my mind. Pick it up and read it, it is simple to read. It is a novel about our future, where all this is heading if the "masters of reality" have their way, whether they be the "Heads" on the left or the CEOs from MegaDrugInc on the right.
 
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Do not really communicate with each other or across ideological boarders, they argue and attack.
Divide & Rule - Oldest trick in the book & works perfectly. No need for 'them' to change that tactic.

I see the 60s happening again
i see similarities happening as well.

The author wrote a pivotal book about LSD titled, The Doors of Perception , which influenced the 60s drug movement, but often Brave New World is not spoken about, and it is actually more important in my mind. Pick it up and read it, it is simple to read. It is a novel about our future, where all this is heading if the "masters of reality" have their way, whether they be the "Heads" on the left or the CEOs from MegaDrugInc on the right.
Have read Doors of Perception & know all about Brave New World, George Orwell was another insider. Look into Arthur Koestler & 'the Ghost in the machine' it's almost a blueprint.

i go very into conspiracy theory with all these areas because i think it's the only thing that has some kind of answer - this World is Not what it appears or is presented to us.
 
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I go very into conspiracy theory with all these areas because i think it's the only thing that has some kind of answer - this World is Not what it appears or is presented to us.
I am not so interested in conspiracy theories, I keep tabs on them, but I never really swallow them in whole, components of the theories make sense. Of course authority figures, such as David Icke and Alex Jones in the movements, make their living spinning and keeping masses of people under their sway (and raking in the $$$). Never went for it. I think a better understanding of human nature, social dynamics, and capitalism explains a lot of what is going. I think the trajectory is set by these and certain actors have parts they play, either wittingly or unwittingly. Perhaps the greatest conspiracy with the most proof when investigated is the one within our own minds.

IN regard to the video, I detect a sort of Psychiatric Eugenic ideology in the selected Koestler readings the speaker gave. Who determines who is sick or well ? What is the standard? What is the example of TRUE wellness?

Naom Chomsky, in his book "Manufacturing Consent" details just how (without fictionalizing) the Machinations of Propaganda manipulate and bend the Zeitgeist, in to the will of those that we willingly put above us. I discovered long ago, most Authority figures are essentially psychopaths, sociopaths, and narcissists only interested in maintenance of their own power lines.

Gnosticism and Buddhism address this to a certain extent in a spiritual context. A secular understanding of it is necessary in order to see how society perpetuates restraints, deludes, produces illusion, and retards progress or escape.
 
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IN regard to the video, I detect a sort of Psychiatric Eugenic ideology in the selected Koestler readings the speaker gave. Who determines who is sick or well ? What is the standard? What is the example of TRUE wellness?
Exactly.

"Wellness" is defined as going back to the work place and playing the capital game in the psychiatric paradigm and it is nearly the same in the alternative movement now.
i've more & more seen a corruption within it all in different ways & at different levels as well.
 
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If it weren't for capitalism, we wouldn't have inexpensive personal computers; and thank God for Bill Gates.
 
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if you start agreeing with the anti drug pushers further down the line they're pushing you to come off your meds and further down the line your in hospital
 
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if you start agreeing with the anti drug pushers further down the line they're pushing you to come off your meds and further down the line your in hospital
If services were more fit for purpose then maybe there wouldn't be that pattern as often?
 
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if you start agreeing with the anti drug pushers further down the line they're pushing you to come off your meds and further down the line your in hospital
First of all, understanding what the drugs actually do is not being "anti-drug", its being informed.

Additionally, there are proven interventions that work as effectively as medication in the first psychotic break, that can stop the cycling prior to its development. I reccomend you look into the Soteria Project and its outcomes within the first 3-6 months in comparison to drug therapies (they were the same outcomes) erasing the myth that a drug only strategy has the best out come. You can also look into Open Dialogue as it is practiced in the Lapland of Finland, which also use little or no drugs and has the highest recovery rates in the western world. There are others, other techniques and therapies, but you would have to be interested and look for them.
 
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