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800,000 claim decade of incapacity

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More than 800,000 people have been claiming incapacity benefits for more than a decade, it has been revealed.

Government figures showed 806,630 claimants - nearly a third of all those who claim incapacity benefits - have received the allowance for more than 10 years.

The North West was worst affected, with more than 130,000 long-term claimants.

Of the top 10 constituencies for the highest percentage of people claiming incapacity benefit for more than a decade, five were from the North West.

But the worst-hit constituency was Easington in the North East, with 42% of its incapacity benefit claimants receiving payments for more than 10 years.

Welsh constituency Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney and the North West's Wirral South were also badly affected, with 41% and 40% respectively.

The latest figures revealed that a total of 2,643,290 people across the UK claimed the Incapacity Benefit/Severe Disablement Allowance in May 2007.

Shadow work and pensions secretary Chris Grayling, who obtained the figures in Parliament, said it was time for change.

"Sometimes you have to wonder what the point of a Labour Government has been," he said.

"Despite all the grandiose promises and the billions of pounds that have been spent, they've delivered virtually no improvement for the most vulnerable in our society. Something really has to change."
 
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I do think something does need to be done, If you ever watch daytime TV and see the idiots that are on there, admitting how much weed and booze they get thru, they have to be either working or up to something illegal, cos i know i couldnt afford to drink like some of them do.

I do realise that the majority are genuine but its the minority that make the the rest of us look like scroungers.

Personally i think if they targetted the ones that have been off less than a year and see what they can do for those that would be a start. Once youve been off work for a few years it would be very difficult to place someone in a decent job.

I also think that they should target those that are not ill but have just been claiming benefits and get them off their backsides. The same goes for single parents. Once the child starts school they should go to work. As a divorcee i worked and bought up two young children on a very low income and we managed and there were not the benefits like there are now.

This may sound a bit of a rant but i do have reason. My eldest has a little girl and she works full time to pay for her nursery and upkeep and gets no benefits and my younger daughter is doing a uni course and has to pay £2000 a year for it but also working full time to pay for it. Yet a friend of theirs (a single mum) is going to college part time (fully paid) her child is in nusery full time -paid -her rent is paid and her council tax paid. Is this fair?

I do think the government needs to sort the benefits system out but not necessarily the most vulnerable. Surely it must be easy enough to see whos trying to pull a fast one:mad:

rant over:p
 
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I largely agree Daffy -

No offence to anyone; but Jeremy Kyle is a rude c*nt; & if the retards he has on show are a good indication of the general members of the public; then we are in big trouble.

With addicts/alcoholics however, I do think there are complications. Many of them are genuinely sick, & totally incapable of work. They are in need of desperate help & there isn't much out there. Which is the point to all this I think - We live in a society with multiple & complex problems, environmental, with poverty, homelessness, family problems, nutritional problems - all kinds of stuff. I genuinely believe that if my problems had been approached entirely differently to how they were; that my life could have been utterly different. Had I been given allot of psychological support, practical assistance & genuine care, then I believe I would be living allot differently & more productively today. If society integrated, accepted & supported the mentally ill, & there was no stigma - then things would be entirely different. It needn't cost more - how much does a lifetime of meds cost?

The core of the problem is IMHO, that too little is done & there is too little & often no support for those who most need it. If things were different & the care was there, then we wouldn't have this utter mess. But the problem runs right through society from top to bottom, with everyone blaming everyone else. Until there is some radical shift nationwide & to a degree globally, then there will be no change, we need a total paradigm shift. Maybe in some often starting small ways, this is already happening.
 
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The problem with benefit reforms is that it's always the most vulnerable that are targeted.
If I remember correctly the government (and the opposition) said that 200,000 people should'nt be receiving incapacity benefit,How do they work out those figures and who decided those people were entitled to it in the first place?

There are too many families in this country who have no adult in employment and no hope or motivation of improving their situations,it's a downward spiral,a benefit trap that people can't (or don't want to) find a way out of.

As for the guests on the Jeremy Kyle show,they're paid something like £1,000 for appearing and get free travel expenses,free overnight hotel accomodation (with a free bar),speaks volumes for their aspirations to get on tv!

I don't know how the government can change the benefit system for the better without hurting the very people that need it the most :unsure:
 
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This is the first time i've been on benefit .............. i hate it.
You are made to feel that you ain't entitled to anything !!
 
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Talking of benefits... I'm on incapacity but have been thinking of applying for DLA. How have others found the form and what are the key criteria for getting it (is it around the support given by a carer)? Things are really tight at the moment and a little extra would go a long way. Thank you.
 
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I'm not sure of the DLA form at the moment, i got it after 3 apppealls and a tribunal, rethink helped, it is important to have representation, there was that joke in the MIND magazine where the benefit officer was saying "We work on the principle that anyone who can fill up the form doesn't need the money"

There are people who see me as a scrounger or malingerer, i don't think they understand and my language doesn't help, in some ways considering the stigma i'd rather be seen as a scrounger than schitso, however my experience is hunger and cold doesn't help my illness
 
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That doesn't explain how to make mental illness meet what are physical grounds

Not been able to go out or walk too anxious or paranoid to got out

Not been able to cook a meal, not able to concentrate well enough, a meal is defined as meat and 3 veg, it's easy to fail cooking that

It's easier to say you need care if your going to a day centre or have a carer, strictly speaking guidelines state that not receiving the care at the time of application isno reason to turn people down but that doesn't stop the clarks

A drs and psychiatristrs letter is useful in explaining you deserve the money but the clark also requires some reference where he can tick off things against that physical illness boxes
 
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My SW filled mine in. And it went thru first time, I dont think i would have thought of half the things to put down that she did. Ask your CPN or SW to help you with the forms
 
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I haven't got a SW or CPN, guess it's to do with me volunteering when threatened with sectioning therefore they don't have any legal duty, have a suport worker who's constantly trying to close the case, still pride comes before a fall
 
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Hi there,

Thanks for all your help. Hopefully I'm going to get help from my key worker at the local resource centre that I attend. I could ask for help from my CPN but I feel I'm on dodgy ground with them... I'll give it a go but don't feel optimistic!
 
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Get yourself over to:www.benefitsandwork.co.uk.

www.yourable.com/, benefits forum. You will find lots of help and support :)

Benefits and Work site is 16.50 Uk pounds for year membership, and for that you access the best guides on how to claim benefits sucessfully. Site is run by Steve Donnison a former Welfare rights officer and his wife a lawyer who specialises in employment law.

Hope above helps, good luck :)
 
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Hi Libra,

Thanks for the web sites they look very comprehensive!

Unfortunately the Benefits and Work one has gone up to £18.50 - still a smallish price to pay if you end up getting benefits. The only thing is there is just so much information that I find it all very difficult to cope with - at the mo. I find it difficult getting past the first paragraph of a newspaper article as I have very low attention span (I start reading over and over the same words and then get really angry with myself :mad: :cry:) so I think that I'll get some help in the first instance. Thank you though and I'll let you know how I get on. :clap:
 
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I think it's worth mentioning that when claiming DLA,the DWP take into account that we have 'good days' and 'bad days' so I would always recommend that a claimant refers to the 'bad days' as much as possible when claiming.
It's certainly beneficial to have someone who is aware of your situation alongside to help filling in the forms.

I had to appeal first time around basically because I had'nt provided enough information,I found there were sections of the forms that did'nt really apply to me but after careful consideration,I understood that mental illness certainly does affect the physical restrictions as well which is why I provide as much 'extra' information as possible which I am sure has helped with my previous claims.
 
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