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      We had a new person move in. He has previous arson convictions which he openly admitted a few times on visits before he moved in. He had been in a forensic hospital for some years because of the arson/s. I had some concerns because he was an arsonist and would be moving into a shared house with other people. Also he was on a section without taking medication which is strange. I brought this up with management at supported living company main office. Management said ''that was 5 years go people change'''.

      He moved in, 2nd night here without night awake staff a member of staffs car goes up in flames. This is right outside the house literally 3 foot away from the house (this is a terrace/town house) Fire brigade come quickly and puts it out. Every body thinks it was an accident as sometimes cars can catch fire. 8 days later under the exact same circumstances (engine fire, between 1am/2am) another staff members car catches fire. This time very suspicious. Fire brigade comes out again and puts out the fire.

      I go downstairs, the new person is running around very excited, opened the blinds fully and seemed very elated as car was burning.

      Police come and interview me and my housemate plus new person. I told them I was awake in bed. I looked at my iPad to see time as if it was early I was going to get up and start the day. Notice it was just after 1am so I got back into bed. Told them I heard the front door open just after checking iPad but didn't hear it close (my bedroom is above front door) A little while later I hear a loud whoosh and open my eyes and my front window looked like there was a massive fireball outside. Looked out window, car and fire. New person running around excited. Told this to the police. They go away.

      40 mins later police come back and arrest new person. This was Early hours Wednesday night. He been released under bail and sent back to hospital. The hospital staff come to house today and take all his belonging out his bedroom. Apparently police take all his clothes and swob his hands, search is room.

      Now I feel the supported living company has put all our lives in danger by letting him move here. They knew he had past arson convictions. It would quite easily been the house with us in it, they have failed in their duty of care to protect us.

      I'm very angry. They care company don't care about us, they put profits before care. I'm worried about the next person they move in.

      I would like to know if possible I can take this further? Who can I contact?
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      Hey nightmare this is very serious and like you said this guy mentioned this before he even moved in …strange thing to admit to…he obviously still has problems in this area.

      Yeah duty of care why not go to your
      1.local mp and
      2.also see if you can chat with CAB.
      He most probably is well known by the police.

      What a reckless bunch of people these care company sound like. They will argue that he needed somewhere to live I shouldn’t wonder but at what level of high risk does the risk have to be before that cant happen the mind boggles.

      So sorry that you have gone through this and maybe can you check the supported living company crediatials maybe there is a forum about them somewhere. Just tap in their name with-forum next to it and see what happens.

      as you know his name maybe try and see what is in the papers about him ie going to court and the offences he has committed can get local newspapers on line these days and they have the older copies on line to look at
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      I told line manager my concerns today. I asked for his second name as didn't know it, she refused to give it. I might write to my MP as they have totally failed us. Do you think they will of some help?
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      Hi Nightmare,
      There must be a leaflet on the complaints procedure for service users, I'd ask for it and good for you complaining to your mp.
      Hope your okay.
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      I've now written to my MP. I will let you know what happens

      What else can I do?
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      I really don’t know. Best see what comes of this with the MP first.

      I did mention the CAB (Citizens Advice Bereau) they might know the law around this as that is what they specialise in.

      if you do take this further you might want someone to support you in this. You may get to know his surname if he ends up in the newspaper which is a possibility.


      How do the other people in the supportive living environment feel about this what has happened?
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      Quote Originally Posted by blacksmoke View Post

      How do the other people in the supportive living environment feel about this what has happened?
      Very anxious and angry. We feel let down by the care company, this is the second time they moved somebody in who was inappropriate, the other person lasted 9 weeks before he was removed. The care company only care about profits, they want the high care packages but these are more challenging and have an affect on other services users but they don't care. The person who 'allegedly' set the car fires came from a forensic hospital where he had been for years for setting fires, he admitted that. This person moved here with 49 hours support per week. Now that's alot of support from somebody who is very independent, can do everything himself. Only has a mild learning disability and takes no medication for mental health needs. He admits he gets violent when intoxicated.

      I wrote to my MP. Took some time and worked it right and added burnt out car photo.. I have also wrote to the housing association who owns the property to and voiced my concerns with them and said I want this to go further, asked them if they new about his past arson history?

      I have a few questions.

      Not being involved much with the police do they need much evidence to arrest somebody because I told them I heard the front door open and a little while later hear a loud whoosh then see the car on fire? I wouldn't think that would be enough to arrest somebody plus they didn't take a statement. Can they arrest people on past history alone, is that enough?

      The police told a support worker that they've taken his cloths as evidence plus took hand swobs. Both fires started at the engine, now my housemate said he was wearing the same clothes all day. If somebody were to start a fire near a engine they're would be some evidence on his clothes, right?

      I hope they have a enough evidence and convict him because the care company would totally sweep all this under the carpet otherwise.
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      Ok. I am not surprised that the others living along side you feel like this. Maybe as a group voice with support of an advocate maybe.

      Even if you just get signatures of the other tenants in your supportive living house.

      Best wait and see what the MP has to say first.

      No I don’t imagine the police can arrest people on past history. But this is what is happening now and so they would maybe look at his previous….

      Have you had a letter of apology from this care company yet? Keep any correspondence from these people on record and keep a diary of events of what happened all that can be used later.

      This person sounds like he needs constant supervision l on l supervision so he is not suitable to be placed in an environment like yours I would say.

      What is important to remember is to record the facts as what happened. The time date etc actual events. Keep a journal by all means but the facts are king
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      it's bad enough in social housing with the druggies alkys and ex cons, i don'y know about high need housing, in some ways you can say it's not the persons fault and they're a victim but i was reading in some book about been the victim of victims

      i doubt you'll get far complaining, the staff are more likely to make an issue of it, it's their cars

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