Recovering from Neuroleptic ('Antipsychotic') Drugs

[ms_P]

In fact, statistical evidences also show that among the ones getting mental illnesses, especially the serious one like Schizophrenia, generally one-third of the population of such people would eventually manage to achieve full recovery, another one-third would gain significant improvements while getting sporadic relapses of such disorders, whilst the remaining rest would just get their disorders worsened day after day until no recovery is conceivably possible.



Lastly, what I am trying to say is that as long as there're hopes in getting improvements for one's mental disorders, one should put in the necessary efforts and work hard towards that goal of gaining more and more sanities and finally full recoveries if possible.

What do you mean, "especially the serious one like Schizophrenia"?
Everyone's mental health issues are serious.
There's clinical evidence that Borderline is also a brain disorder and not an emotional one; A re-routing of the brain from a prolonged external stimulus.

As you say, we can only work with what we are given.
Borderline's are mostly given nothing but horror...incomprehensible pain. We have a high suicide rate.

I don't think you're qualified to give advice. Free or otherwise.

[jo1261]

thanks for spacing out the words.

Nevertheless, I had migraine headaches before long time ago and during that time, I would tend to take sleeping pills, tranquilizers etc so that I could just drift myself off to deep sleeps especially when those severe migraine headaches occurred, and so that I could just avoid the pains associated with such disorders.


However, my experiences told me that the more I resorted to such medications, the worse and worse my migraine headaches would get to become from time to time.

these are not migraines, the pain is a persistent undercurrent of physical pain in the centre of my head which frequently escalates into a massiv headache that lasts 24/36 hours, then something goes 'crunch' in my head, then i feel dizzy for a while then the process gradually repeats itself for the next few weeks or so. maybe its fading these days. i had a headache once that made me throwup, i felt like going to a general hospital, totally dehabilitating. caused by the neuroleptic drugs and nothing else.

'so what can be done about this persistent gnawing nagging headache that i have in the centre of my head? on thursday night , as has happened many times before, i had this episode , lasting about a minute, of feeling like i was falling from a height with a blindfold on, so that i couldnt see the ground so as to know when my fall would stop. it is a HORRIBLE feeling. sometimes i feel like i'm not completely conscious'

My personal opinion is that when such a scenario actually happens to you again, maybe you really need someone close to you (such as your kin, relatives, close friends etc) to hold on to so as for you to feel emotionally secured, stable and safe. .

it is not emotional pain, it is physical. the falling feeling is like that of coming down off a drug

Lastly, I think it will serve your therapeutical purposes better for you to seek at least a second opinon from the other related medical experts to deal with your persistent gnawing nagging headache. And that's what me and the others have done in solving our like-problems.

they did a brain scan, couldnt see anything, so the doctor prescribed a headache pill. and this was from a 'psychiatrist'.

[jo1261]

I don't think you're qualified to give advice. Free or otherwise.

any input is useful. i dont always beleive what i read

[ms_P]

any input is useful. i dont always beleive what i read

Point taken, jo1261,...even if I disagree.

[ntuc]

Quotations from you :


'it is not emotional pain, it is physical. the falling feeling is like that of coming down off a drug'



'these are not migraines, the pain is a persistent undercurrent of physical pain in the centre of my head which frequently escalates into a massiv headache that lasts 24/36 hours, then something goes 'crunch' in my head, then i feel dizzy for a while then the process gradually repeats itself for the next few weeks or so. maybe its fading these days. i had a headache once that made me throwup, i felt like going to a general hospital, totally dehabilitating. caused by the neuroleptic drugs and nothing else.'



That's what I have written :


'However, my experiences told me that the more I resorted to such medications, the worse and worse my migraine headaches would get to become from time to time.'



Actually, I sort of agree with you very much on the point that medications like neuroleptic drugs etc could just make your headache problems to go from bad to worse.


Whilst in the long-term, it wouldn't turn out as a solution to your disorders if you were to depend solely and only upon such drugs to deal with your headache disorders.


And since I do not know what exactly your problems are as well as their underlying causes, that's why I have written the followings :



'Lastly, I think it will serve your therapeutical purposes better for you to seek at least a second opinon from the other related medical experts to deal with your persistent gnawing nagging headache. And that's what me and the others have done in solving our like-problems. '



'they did a brain scan, couldnt see anything, so the doctor prescribed a headache pill. and this was from a 'psychiatrist'. '


In the case where a brain scan doesn't show anything, lucky for you then.
That's because any brain damages, deformities etc, such as the ones manifesting in Alzheimer, Parkinsonism etc, they are almost always irreversible and irreparable (and that's simply the truth).


Whilst in your case, your headache, in my personal opinion (which may be incorrect), may be caused by chemical imbalances of such bodily chemical substances like neurotransmitters Serotonin, Acetylcholine (which directly control the brain functionings) and other hormones in your brain and nervous systems. Next, In these cases, chances of recovery are very promising and highly satisfactory provided that the ones suffering from them know about the underlying causes of such disorders and deal with them correctly and accordingly by seeking the right treatments for them.



As your brain is perfectly alright based on the brain scan, I think that's probably the main reason why you have been referred to the psychiatrist who have given you all those neuroleptic drugs and headache pills for your headache disorders.


And again, given that I hardly know anything about your headache disorders, I could be wrong about those points made above too, and that's why I would suggest you to get at least a second opinion from the other medical experts to deal with your problems.

[ntuc]

ms_P


'What do you mean, "especially the serious one like Schizophrenia"?
Everyone's mental health issues are serious.



Well, when I mean "especially the serious one like Schizophrenia", I am actually referring to those mental disorders that do not involve any brain malfunctionings, deformities and damages like the ones shown in the MRI, CT-Scannings etc ; but the ones that are substantially and mainly caused by the malfunctionings of the mood regulator neurotransmitter chemicals Serotonin, Acetylcholine etc in our brain and the nervous system. And that's simply the truth with the majority of the mental disorders.



'There's clinical evidence that Borderline is also a brain disorder and not an emotional one; A re-routing of the brain from a prolonged external stimulus.'



As far as mental disorders are concerned, please just bear in mind that in most cases, that is simply something originating from our own perceptions about our environments, surroundings, people we are dealing with etc, which in turn cause the ones troubled with such disorders to have negative feelings, thoughts and then negative actions / behavioural / personality changes.


Next, apart from all those medications, psychotherapies etc which may be helpful in dealing with such mental disorders, it would eventually require the ones having such mental disorders to exercise their own self-wills, self-determinations, self-disclipines etc to 'mentally-train' themselves to think positvely, realistically and practically in the end so as to make genuine recoveries from such disorders eventually (slowly and gradually step by step).


Basically, it can be summarized in such a way that 'since mental disorders are caused by the negative feelings and thoughts formed by the minds of the ones having such disorders, it would eventually take they themselves to alter / change all those feelings and thoughts through their own self-wills and self-determinations especially having received all those medicational and psychotherapy treatments'.


And essentially, on one and nothing else (the medications / psychotherapies) can do such 'change of feelings, thoughts etc for / on behalf of the ones having the mental disorders. And it is for the very fact that, those individuals having mental disorders would need to ' personally command their own brains to make such change of feelings and thoughts for the better and better scenarios and conditions' for they themselves in order to get all those improvements and recoveries.



I do agree with your findings about clinical evidences. However, since clinical cures, especially the ones relying heavily upon medications, and very less on other complementary factors prescribed and provided by the medical specialists, they may not be necessarily appear to be the holistic approaches to helping the patients trobled with mental disorders, such evidences may just turn out to be actually inconclusive and if not, largely distorted themselves.



'As you say, we can only work with what we are given.
Borderline's are mostly given nothing but horror...incomprehensible pain. We have a high suicide rate.'



I don't quite agree with you on that point. It is because it just sounds to be so pessimistic and passive (in a sense that one, maybe through certain advices from the others, relies merely upon external helps of medications etc and nothing else from the medical personnel to deal with their mental disorders). And in terms of my opinions and my own personal experiences as well as the others, well, they simply tell me that as long as there are hopes for improvements and recoveries for mental disorders, one shouldn't give up on any hopes.



In my case and the others, we have looked for a variety of ways relentlessly and steadfastly, and to be receptive to all sorts of useful and constructive therapies and advices, so to at least get our mental state, situations, slightly improved, and then gradually get better and better.



On top of that, we were willing to pay the price of taking the initiatives to mentally-train ourselves to eventually overcome our mental illnesses and then to think normally and positvely in the end, whilst at the same time, treating all those medicational and psychotherapies as other complementary factors to help us achieve that final goal of improvements and recoveries.



'I don't think you're qualified to give advice. Free or otherwise.''



Well, if you are talking about the statistics which tell that around 2/3 of the population of the ones having mental disorders will either get totally recovered or get their disorders tremendously improved, that's simply an accomplished fact supported by ongoing genuine statistical evidences.


As to whether I'm qualified enough to give advices on mental disorders, I believe that the others will just have their own other comments about me based on the information I have given so far in my posts.

[jo1261]

Actually, I sort of agree with you very much on the point that medications like neuroleptic drugs etc could just make your headache problems to go from bad to worse.


Whilst in the long-term, it wouldn't turn out as a solution to your disorders if you were to depend solely and only upon such drugs to deal with your headache disorders.

thanku for the input. i would just like make it clear to everyone reading that the gnawing burning feeling in the centre of my head that occasionally becomes excruciatingly unbearably painful is caused by the neuroleptic drugs and nothing else. this is physical pain and not mental. i do not have any mental pain. these headaches have not happened to me at anytime before the neuroleptic drug. and i hope the patients in the hospitals are LISTENED to by the doctors when they complain about the imposed drugs, or say something like "i cant think", or when they collapse and have a fit.

[jo1261]

And since I do not know what exactly your problems are as well as their underlying causes, that's why I have written the followings :

And again, given that I hardly know anything about your headache disorders, I could be wrong about those points made above too, and that's why I would suggest you to get at least a second opinion from the other medical experts to deal with your problems.

i understand why you may presume that my postings here are about mental problems and that i have mental pain. but my postings here are about the physical headache that i have right now

[ms_P]

Well, when I mean "especially the serious one like Schizophrenia", I am actually referring to those mental disorders that do not involve any brain malfunctionings, deformities and damages like the ones shown in the MRI, CT-Scannings etc ; but the ones that are substantially and mainly caused by the malfunctionings of the mood regulator neurotransmitter chemicals Serotonin, Acetylcholine etc in our brain and the nervous system. And that's simply the truth with the majority of the mental disorders.

ntuc, Schizophrenia as well as Borderline can be seen on brain imaging techniques such at MRI's and CAT Scans.

I still can't figure out what your point is in this thread,...that was started by someone else.

[Apotheosis]

ntuc, Schizophrenia as well as Borderline can be seen on brain imaging techniques such at MRI's and CAT Scans.

I don't think it can - There is no physical test for these "conditions" - certainly brain damage can occur from neroleptic drugs.

Apparently I'm suffering with paranoid schizophrenia - I had a brain scan last year - it showed nothing - no abnormality of any kind.