having near death experinces vs voices

[saltandpepper]

SS,

Yes, our experiences is so alike, parallel. Proves that it's real, gives us both validation and credibility, peace of mind. Great that your voices are somewhat civilized, polite, elders, guidance. You can always PM me if something comes up and you need feedback.

I was talking to a Satanist about 3 hours ago who doesn't realize that he's just a puppet, locked in the MATRIX, prisoner, captivity. He doesn't realize that he's just a vessel, hijacked, superceded, atrophy, ROBOTIC, snuffed-out, can't think or act on his own, has never had the chance. I tried to point this out to him, and all that I could do is plant the seed and let time and spirit take it from there. It took me decades to digest all of this. I'm still unable to always walk and live/react in the truth of it; due to the mental straightjacket, being goosed, being walked, railroaded.

Yes, they tell stories, create scenerios of good and evil bullshit theatrical production, musical chairs. Actors on a stage, and he plays all characters in the play, performs the entire play. It never ends. I get gibberish too, but that's rare. Most of it is "rage", bullish, malice.

Right, life goes on, no choice in the matter. It may help you to realize that they've basically robbed us of our peace, our lives, our soul, our very existence. Wolves, ravening the prey. I can only hope that God will give them the same treatment, 70x. Life-long sentences of torment and supersession, with good/evil imaginations and gibberish; along with the goosage, mindfuck, being walked/goosed/railroaded with rage, bullish, sadistic.

They suck us right in... I call this "railroading", goosage, mental straightjacket. Terri calls it "being walked". It's possession trance, captivity, bondage, slavery, sadistic, BDSM...

Dreams... I had a dream yesterday that mischievous spirits were jacking with me, but suddenly realized that they were being watched/recorded, and would be held accoutable. Many of them left, vanished, didn't want any part of it. There were a few who stayed behind, the dumb crude low consciousness primate trailer-trash type personalities. Well, it left me with the sense that the joke is on them, the sense that they're all being played, tested, gamed, goosed. Ignor-anus. It's ironic; it's they who are clueless. They're basically stuck in their own trap, distracted, impaired... They missed the bus.

My vision of christ, he was silent. The bible states that you will never see the face of God. It's impossible, so it may have been christ or maybe an ancestor or angel. Moses saw God's back, but not his face. I once saw the back of some huge ancient character, but I disregarded it because nothing ever came of it. It was strange, I saw his back his neck, layers folded of skin, and then I was shown a photograph or image of that entity's face. I recently had a minister tell me that there was a reason for that to happen as such; and that I should expect a follow-up.

Your God vision, maybe it was not you who cried. Maybe it was them. Maybe it was your Holy Spirit, or one of the fallen angels. We're just a vessel.

Money, financial success and security. You're very young.... might help you to make a daily checklist so that you can work on your goals and responsibilities daily. Use your email calendar to give you a popup email everyday as a reminder to go over your list. Education, career, car, house, wife, kids, cars, insurance, healthcare, savings, nest egg, security blanket... I read a book once that said that your main spirit can delegate or assign your checklist to the other spirits, to have them come up with the answers, keep you on your toes, to open the doors, to your success and security. Money... What we need is an owners manual. Just a vessel, so "it's all in their hands". Sorry... It's out of our hands....

It's really not that complicated. We've got one or two spirits who wear many masks; puppet show, musical chairs, theatrical production, play all characters in the play, ventriloquists who impersonate God and Jesus, angels and ancestors, demons and human astrals (witchcraft). It's all coming from spirit. No question about that.

Your last paragraph... How and why this is happening, well, the bible says that this is all leading up to judgment day. Evil is being allowed to the full, so that God see what they are made of. They are all being goosed, tempted, video recorded, just to see what they truly are made of. We're not in the game because we're merely a vessel, incapacitated, snuffed, superceded. Witnesses... Jury Duty... I am taking notes.

You might want to try the mp3 audio exorcism. Just let it play 24/7 for months or years, and do not let them trick you into stopping it. It makes the spirits nervous, edgy, scared, fearful, and they will gradually leave. The key, of coarse, is that you become the master and not the slave, that you become the captain of your own ship. Don't let them deceive you, cut it short. I've got some audio exorcisms available for free. Just burn them to CD or your IPOD; and also work great in your daily alarm clock. Free exorcism audios and my book, here:
http://tinyurl.com/seca1

Regards,
Sal

[saltandpepper]

PS:

SS,
Your vision which made your cry. Please listen to this video and see if it also makes "them" cry uncontrollably. It's always had that effect on me.

[saltandpepper]

PS: I was browsing around on youtube today and stumbled across this:

Regarding abortion: We were all aborted (hijacked, superceded).

S

[spiritualitysurrounded]

you know you mention your dream where every thing was being watched and the spirits kinda scattered, when this first started with me there was 2 lower spirits and a women, then a main spirit, the main one was just watching the three were doing the torment, ( do you notice you cant pull away (sensationally or emotionally) from the voices, it's like what ever it is has the ability to pull your emotions into it. keeping you pined. but they were picking on me and all the sudden ( keeping in mind the body is a vessel) (my voices are trying to pull this vessel thing away from me ( i feel them not liking when i say this and want me to understand i am more here as a person then i know, to lead us to believe were just a vessel is part of the play trying to keep us uncomfortable) but i started stating that they were being watched and they didn't believe me they felt they were top dog they owned the world and they had to answer to nothing. they kept the torture and i kept stating there was something there watching them. now a year latter i hear the authority of the spirits trying to remold what is here (so to speak punish the evil they fight this and i watch it all happen) so maybe there is a change and they are being watched now. i know they ones i were yelling at are still around but dont say or do much now. ( they still are trying to pull top dog over the judgment and the judgment isn't for the people its is for what is created for the people)

while all the parents talk and they keep saying im this guy and i lay there in bed being pulled away from what i truly belong to as a being and not a puppet ( the matrix the stories of god to mold us control us) its like what i see is showiing me two different realms. one where god exists and one where he dosent. ( we exsist in both at the same time as he covers the other place) the one where he does exists is extremely hard and painful a place of spiritually made sin. the one where he doesn't is calm true peaceful un authoritative in prospective, and im trying to get to this side. he wont alow me to go there and pulls me back, helping me with the understanding were just a vessal, ( actualy we do exsist your soul is an equation for the spirits at work, you are your own equation, knowing your a vessel keeps you from changing. but knowing you exists as your own formula for a mixture of any and all the spirits ( this i believe is god all around he plays all parts to mindfuck us into worship) but i truly feel them pushing my equation out of me and it works in the matrix. i feel empty lost stolen raped on one realm. befor i was pulled from this i could feel the emotions of most spirits.and now i cant feel them. under each spirit designed by god had gods thumbprint on them. no matter how hard they force me not to exists within my body she this one is showing me no matter how deep they go i am always there. but thats not in the matrix thats the universe. just pure unjust energy.

crying for god and other beings outside the religious matrix its hard to explane.... when i cried for them, any of them i was in a state of parental concern. it was like watching your child feel pain and you just had to take it from them, you didnt want them to feel it, this is why i was crying so there is something there that feels for god as his child ( in my vision i saw this being fight to teach god but as i said they fought back there was nothing biger then them) so right know i wonder if there is something truly going on up there to renew what she is as a whole. renewing all the evil as a new positive energy. it seems like a natrual cycle that something is trying to stop. with what i see know i wonder where god truly stands in all of this. and i mean no disrespect towards him but im being shown a way to live within every thing with out god. its like god has shown us how to live for him and he guides us or we understand the matrix so to speak and work it for are slefs. im to the point where im removing all entities from the story's and trying to view it as just energy i can guide with my thinking. as it thinks for its self it controls leaving me in the spot im in and you


I never saw gods face i felt his pressense its like sensing a ghost walk through you. you can see the outline sence its being as something other then your own. you know its there and you know who it is. it is embedded in are programing to know him. he made it this way

one thing i wanted to ask you was if they hold sin agents you, do they say you did anything wrong and punish you for this, thats what they do to me. something happen a long time ago and one time im a good person just one thing ( its like they set this one thing in my life to be able to pick on me and torture me) it was out of charitor and not what or who im about. i truly feel set up. this leave open a door. who set this in my life. god should be the only being with this kinda control over a being, and if it isnt god then its a part of god. bottom line god loves the ones who cherish and love life and dispises the ones who lie cheat steal regardless. but he creates the man to lie steal cheat. this is where i stand on one act and my punishment ( to have my inner being restrained my inner voice my inner child all with heald to the point where my thoughts dont come from me. my inner voices is null i have to talk to them by opening my mouth and using my voice. ( i cant hold a conversation in my head with them with out them asking which voice was me) they littlery took my ability to think for my self. i dont hear my voice and haven't for over a year. so who set me up who has control to make me think i want to do something to the point where i do it. what about you have you asked why, what do they tell you. when i ask god he just sits there and ignors me.

its weird its kind like the religion is trying to empty me control me create me and within all the pain this one comes in working indapendily as her own trying to show me the ways of true engery. how it flows how it reacts how it understands energy isnt ever one being but if it were water you could pick any part of the stream pull some out and hold a conversion with you. pull out two and its two different perspectives it isnt a spirit or ghost its like a stream we can tap into for guidance for understanding this little stream can accomplish what god has created with all his storys of saint and angles in one little drop. but there is no just for corruption within this drop where as corruption seems to be the stage for religion. many demonic and negative beings trying to defie god for what. truly what do they need from us. basicly are life is a game to them. i tried really hard to find a reason for what im going through and felt that if there was a good reason ie being a steping stone for something greater that i could accept it easier understand it eaiser, but something is keeping this out to keep me in pain to keep me from the ablity to alow this to happen to me. insted of fighting it ( of course its worse if you fight it too) if it was worth it i would step asid for god but when it started, something shown me that he even who is, is responsible for the pain and torment dealt under his name. i hate to say it but i read all these post about finding god and from what were being shown ( being most of us beleave it the spiritual realm) we should understand god can make this stop. right. but he wont. he just wont. i have asked and beg and pleaded and he wont all he says is for some one to watch me cause he cant stop this. honestly what on gods green earth dose he not have control over. and if thats the case why why would there be a place for one spirit to exsist as an allmighty when there is so much beatuy with in this planet.

something just dosnt make since. and like i said honestly i can say i truly loved god. when he came to me regardless if it was my programing that forced me to love him i did. i have my spiritual experiences and i truly loved him. now i just dont want him any more. its like iv seen this being from the prospective of being next to him and its just not what i want any more so know he clams me as a sinner for not allowing him in. if i could truly not alow him in then i would. but now on top of all the torturer they have put me in a place where i cant escape what i am made of and feel the personal emotions geared twords ( he projects he personal emotions about me so i can read them )me making me feel something agents my new feelings for god.

[saltandpepper]

Ss,

It was just a trick, a trap, that they lead us into sin or scandal intentionally. It's just the nature of the beast. Their nature, these tricks are the evidence which is going to bury them in court. PM me about this if you want, anytime, and keep in mind that the sin scandal karma trap and punishment is just another trick, device, where you were somehow singled out to be their bitch, the sacrificial lamb, a blood sacrifice, child sacrifice. I think that the reason for this is probably because you are awake and aware, instead of unconscious and possessed superceded like the majority of humanity. You are different, awake, which is why they tried to take you out (framed, setup for a fall).

Psalm 64:5
They encourage themselves in an evil matter: they commune of laying snares privily; they say, Who shall see them?

Religion has taken over your life.... Well SS, I think that all of this spirit BS will disappear (vanish) if you can "get a life". Wine, women, and song.... What you need is a good career, financial success, and a very considerate and committed wife and family. All of this will vanish. It's sad to say this, but "wine, women, and song" is the same as selling your soul. Shuts them up, a pacifier... Sad truth...

My dream... well, the mean and hateful spirits started with their terror, and then suddenly about half of those present disappeared, fled, wanted no part of it. Did not want to be associated with terrorism, sadism. Simple as that. In the first year of my voices, there was a male voice which was the main character, a jerk, running the show, calling the shots, but he just suddenly ducked his head, probably realized that this is all being monitored, ashamed. I see him now and then, but it's rare. He's still present, but very low key, concealed. About 10 years ago, I was in the middle of this dream where I saw him or someone similar "cast down", CONDEMNED, "was kicked out of God's kingdom", now a fallen angel (foe)... You should have seen how it effected him. It really tore him up.

Here is the bible scripture which explains the dream.

Revelation 2:5
.... I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.

I agree on them keeping us pinned, bondage/captivity mental straightjacket, and also that this is all being "video recorded". Yes, reminding them of the video and of the SAINT VEIL does calm things down, helps to settle things back down. Another thing that helps to calm the nerves is telling them to "WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND, 7X". I am one who thinks that judgment is not for humans, not yet, because we have not yet been allowed to live due to the captivity/bondage, plurality, co-walking, snuffage, blotted-out. The bad thing about spirits leaving us is that the bad ones will be the last ones to leave, which means that it gets worst before it gets better. I've got some real twisted pervs right now, sickos, skank, the bottom of the barrel.

Have you ever seen the list of spiritual gifts from God, in the bible? Look at gift number 3, which states that faith is a gift, not a choice. It's enforced and maintained by the spirit of God, the Holy Spirit. Gift 7 is also yours...

(1st Corinthians 12) (Gifts of the spirit)
#1. For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom;
#2. to another the word of knowledge by the same spirit;
#3. to another faith by the same spirit;
#4. to another the gifts of healing by the same spirit;
#5. to another the working of miracles;
#6. to another prophecy;
#7. to another discerning of spirits (hearing & seeing)
#8. to another divers kinds of tongues;
#9. to another interpretation of tongues: (1st Corinthians 12)

Two realms, dimensions, where God is pulling you back... This is just saying that the devil will give you peace if you will sell your soul and worship him, but God is not allowing it, pulls you back, simply because you do not yet exist, are co-walking, vessel, cannot sell something that you don't have. I would imagine that God would give you over to devil if you betray God and morality in some really horrid way. Just keep in mind that perfect peace makes us atrophy, just like coming out of the matrix and unable to think or move, where we have to learn how to live and function on our own for the first time. Would you sell you soul for that? Well, it's all a lie, cause what satan wants is a piece of ass. Fresh meat, which means that you'd still be co-walking and snuffed, superceded. Vanity, they'd run all over you, one step ahead of you, as usual. Sell soul is a delusion, a lie, a con. Sell soul is just demon possession, which is fatal, supersession, sockpuppet.

This experience is very strange. It' almost like us living with them is teaching them law and order, justice, morality and self-image, for the first time. Or is that just another line of crap? Humanity was put in the garden with a snake. They were already here. It looks like maybe we were put here for this, to try and help those lost unclean unlearned primitive souls (purgatory, perdition). I don't know. It seems likely, and it lines up with the bible, that their Judgment Day Approacheth. We certainly educated them, enlightened them. 50 billion laws. That's for sure....

Crying out to God... I think that you have to ask yourself "How did God come into existence?", and then realize that it's very likely that we came from the same process. We're equals. My own mother once told me that God may have re-created the world. Well, her statement is basically saying (inferring) the same thing, that we likely came from the same process, but that God may have tweeked or added a few things, genetic mod or somesuch. It's hard to fathom... How did God come into existence? Did we come from the same process? Likely... The bible states that we are all Gods. If this is true, then divinity is more like family, ancestry, fatherhood, brotherhood. Ruling moral majority, with a few black sheep.

"Life is just a game to them.... " Well SS, they are spirits who are clinging to the flesh. They need to grow up, and move on. The way that I look at it is that they consider the earth to be a vacation resort, a brothel hotel, a secret Vegas getaway. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.... Wine women and song... Sex club... Pervs... Cherry Pickers... The earth is a nursery, a cradle. Sad truth...

As far as God refusing to stop the pain, the madness, it might help you to look at human life as a caterpillar which will soon change into a butterfly and fly away. This physical body is our shell, and we will all soon leave our shell (vessel). The bible states that we must all die once, and will be transformed. This earth is a nursery which is full of pervs, and the only way out is to....

As far as God's earth and control issues... Well, I think that we all have a purpose here, a mission. We were put here in this for a reason. We are trying to clean them up, but they are fighting and pitching a fit a bad teenager; like gangsters. The clock is running out... The clock is ticking...



Sal

[saltandpepper]

PS

Article on Dreams and Visions

Astral Dreamscape Manipulation
http://theuniversalseduction.com/bar...ulation-part-1

[spiritualitysurrounded]

you know when this first started with me they tried to convince me i was the 2nd coming, that i was Jesus. and i denied it deeply. then they came back a few years latter. and tried to get me to tell every one that god was real and that he exists. pushing me to an unhealthy physical and mental state. and this last time they came to me they shared some things with me. about the end of days. they said that the world was going to turn. they showed it to me as three beings coming into me and one at a time and i put my hand out in front of me and said turn it. as i turned my hand as if it were on a round handle. three times! when they did this i saw the world turning. and it wasn't like they were telling me. they were doing it as if it was out of anger of something. then i was doing cards and they said the waters would run deep, new world would be revealed. i kinda looked past it. it wasn't like i played along i took notice but i cant do anything about it. u know. so i have this one telling me to save canned food and supply's, im having dreams about the end of day. one dream said i would need a sharping stone as they took me through a cellar full of shelves, shown me markers and poster board. one dream about a asteroid hitting the earth and being pummeled by a wall of dirt. save food, save medicine, save hard, and any thing non perishable. enjoy what you can on this earth and tell the voices to fuck off you got things to do.

then i have this: this shows me were screwed more then anything. beyond all the prohicies or any thing.

im not sure about all this end of world stuff, specialty since they have been pushing voices for a long time. you would think they would have kept this ability for the knowing. you know. like seriously what were they telling people before the Christ. cant tell them there him. did voices like are's exists in this manner before him.
either way i have gotten my voices/or my voices have change to calm down. be enjoyable, laughing with me, playing small pranks on me like having me turn out the light as i get in the shower. or reaching on the wrong wall for a light switch. they haven't gotten me to put any thing in the freezer yet. they even dance with me. i can sence them present in my body kinda like a shadow and i can release my energy and let them take control. the women dance with my body, basically im possessed. and they have control of the butt, hips and some times legs. i feel like there trying to enjoy what they can. they arnt pushing to control me. actually there are a couple trying to spoil the party. but they dont do to much. basically it makes me wonder if something is truly coming. if i were to look at the spiritual realm from my point of view yeah something is coming, there trying to get out all there playing now. leaving the impression on me that basically they/ we cant do anything about it.
not sure how i got them to relax. i truly think some came in to stop the pain and are hanging out with me till the spoilers go away. i can still sense them. but they get board watching over me so i started talking to them and they seem really cool. idk.

[saltandpepper]

SS,

Same here; 1978 they kept trying to convince me that I was Christ. They would do porn movies; and dreams which would always pick up from the night before, like thick novels. Unhealthy stuff too, bizarre, and a part of me always knew what was going on, that I had been singled out for his nonsense, freak show. Sacrificial lamb... Community punching bag... It's amazing that this has went on and on, for so long now.

Religion and world status.... well, it's obvious that Word War 3 is on the horizon; and the great 7 year tribulation period where this world will end. Remember what I said earlier, that faith is an unbreakable gift. Trust your instinct. The bible says that a new heaven and earth will open up like a scroll. The new world will be different, no more sickness or death. The voices are correct that this earth is going to fall apart; will be hit by asteroids/comets (stars); with huge earthquakes and tsunamis, and worst. Every Island will be washed away... Continents will break apart. I always keep several weeks of food here in the house, but keep in mind that the bible says that God's people will be hidden away, will be taken care of.

I'm like you, where I question all of the prophetic bible stuff. We all live and die, so what does it matter? I really don't give a damn; and I am angry and bitter (violated) just like you are. The big picture here, global perspective, is that all of this madness going on is leading us all straight to judgment day. That god is allowing this simply to see what we are made of; warning them to the consequences. Then judgment, law and order, where those that make it will then form a perfect society, a paradise. This will mark the end of man's rule on earth. God will rule, not man.

Yours seem more relaxed and pleasant than mine. It's seasonal with me, a lot of up and downs. This seasonal stuff is mentioned in the bible, that God give them power for a while, and then reels it back in. It's like they are being tested. It's also like we are fishermen, bait, like we are suckering them in so that we can work with them? Yes? No? Maybe? Is it our purpose in life?

I've been feeling bad for weeks, just feeling weak, sluggish, faint. I need to find something that will help, some sort of vitamin, mineral, or food that will give me some strength, clarity. I need a break. Please ask them to see if they can offer any advice? I need specifics, very specific.

Regards,
Sal

Sal

[Boris]

Hi there, sorry to disrupt this thread, which I have to admit is very interesting :-) Could you please tell me how you came about having these near death experiences, and if you heard voices before that? Both of you (spirituallysurrounded and saltandpepper) say you have seen visions, could you please describe these to me, as I have also seen many strange things :-)

Thanks in advance
Boris

[saltandpepper]

Boris,
I wrote my story in a PDF file, a free book which is available here: http://tinyurl.com/seca1
The free pdf reader program is at adobe.com
Sal